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    Posted: 13/March/2005 at 7:12am

I have a question for all you experienced vetrans who have tried everything in relation to marketing! Maybe Ed Valentine or Doug or maybe Mr. Steamer....this would be a question for you guys.

I am considering hiring a sales person to bang on some doors. I am expanding to a new city and would like some advise on what to pay this guy. I am thinking along the lines of commission....but how much. We do residential carpet & upholstry/ceramic tile & grout/air exchange installation and cleaning/commercial carpet cleaning.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Most places pay 15% on the total amount of the contract... 3 to 5% on renewal....

anyone eles???

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My advise is to hire people to do the work and you do your own sales, every job will be different and you are the one who needs to make on site desicions as to whether you want this job and how much you need to charge to make it profitable. I think anyone who has tried to hire a sales person has found it very expensive, with little in return, exceptions to this are the very large commercial carpet maintenance contractors in large urban centers that need the constant addition of new contracts or contact with present clients to upsell other services.

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Thanks for the input. I am currently running one area myself including sales/marketing and most of the time cleaning as well. When we expand to this new city we will have 1 technician whom I have hired from another firm. The sales position will be responsible for marketing and keeping the phone ringing. He will do door to door...telemarketing....etc..etc....whatever it takes. So I guess he will be sales/estimator which I will train. Instead of wasting money on ads that yield no return,  I am putting my ad money in a person! Make sense?

 

Appreciate the input!



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Cleaner1 Great Idea... a live person is the way to go...I hope the guy you hired is good... They all start off motivated with high energy, then they loose that drive quick.  You don't want to be saddled with dead weight(someone who is not producing).

if this guy is going to knock on doors in residential areas ...send him out with a small spotting unit and a spot kit... The best way to get your foot in the door is to do a few free spots...  This could work for commercial as well.

your business will only be as good as your sales person... and good sales people cost... and those that are really good leave and take all the accounts with them....lol

I hate to have the rug pulled from under me...  I want to do everything... me me me ... at least I can control what goes on...flyers give you that control... or a nice communication package

there is no "I" in team but there is one in wIn!!

 

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Don Eldred has the best advice.
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The only thing is ... staffing the cleaning my ruin the business... good cleaners are hard to come by... say if you hired a "NO GOOD" the wrecks a few things... they could put you out of business.

I'm sorry I know business can not grow without hiring, but no one will ever do the sales and service as well as you can...

I'd give up the sales before I give up the service I think Don is wrong...  The most important thing is the customer that you actually get to clean..you want to make sure they are looked after properly... Employees don't care... if they wreck something you'll have to cover the cost..only the owner can ever truly go that extra mile

let me ask you one thing...

what can a sales man wreck????

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Service will make the sales... but sales will never make the service
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anyone disagree???

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I agree totally. That is why I'm trying this route. I also agree it is difficult to expand when you are a one man show. I have tried and failed with having someone else do the actual work. As you said....employee's don't care so don't give them the opportunity to screw it up for you. Stay on the wand as long as possilbe and do your training yourself.....also do some follow up on your own every once in a while to make sure customers are happy. The new sales person will be doing follow-up daily.

I was wondering Mr. Steamer, what would you think it should be worth to pay this guy to start. He is fairly young and energetic....right now anyway.....we'll see what happens.....but I want to pay him well enough to stick around. He is very interested in learning the business and I will probably have him estimating later on? What should I pay him?



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Cleaner1;

 

IMHO, I do not think that hiring a sales person will achieve your goal because I believe that whoever this person may be, he/she will quickly get discouraged and leave.

I think a much better way is for you to "Lateral Sell". This involves convincing others in the service trades (ex: Interior designers; Carpet/Furniture Stores;etc..., local Country Clubs, etc..) to recommend you and your company. My own experience doing this in the past has been a terrific success and increase in business. It builds a terrific reputation way before you ever arrive at the door step. And, that helps to build customer confidence.

 

There are other ways of getting the business that I have learned to. Tune into: www.members3.boardhost.com/johnmmerritt/  and look under Archives. Download.

 

Hope this helps;

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THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING MR. VALENTINE. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE ALOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA. I HAVE READ YOUR POSTS AND CHECKED OUT SOME OF YOUR INFO AT OTHER SITES. MY QUESTION IS HOW ODES ONE FIND THE TIME TO DO EVERYTHING....CLEAN....MARKET..SELL.......INVOICE....BOOK JOBS....ETC....ETC...ETC... I AM ONLY ONE PERSON AND I FEEL....AS MR. STEAMER ALREADY STATED.....IF I AM GOING TO GIVE UP ANYTHING TO SOMEONE ELSE ITS THE SALES SIDE. HIRING SOMEONE WITH PROVEN SALES ABILITY. DO YOU AGREE?

HOW WOULD ONE GET THE TIME TO DO ALL THIS STUFF AND STILL FOLLOW UP WITH CUSTOMER,DO THE BALLOT BOX THING,PRINT AND DELVER ALL THE BROCHURES...ETC ETC.....

LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK AS I REALLY VALUE YOUR OPINION

 

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cleaner 1,

that is why I am in the process of developing a piece of software
with a partner of mine that takes away a lot of the time consuming part of
running a 1 man show. It lets me concentrate on running my business.
The software keeps track of all the invoicing and collections and also is a
postcard reminder and coupon creator . It allows me to stay on top of my
business with less than 15 minutes per day on average use. I will be
allowing other cleaners to check out a free trial shortly . After the free
trial We will be looking for companies to purchase a Beta version of the
software at a drastically reduced price If they agree to use all aspects of
the software and report back to us with constructive criticism and ideas.

They also would have to agree that they would not publicly criticize the
software . That is the purpose of allowing them to see the software
before it is 100% complete.

I strongly believe that if you religiously use our software for it's intended
purpose you will get a handle on the things that are overwhelming you. !!

Any questions of me , please Private message me if you wish. Or I can
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Cleaner1;

 

Ultimately, someday, perhaps your goal will not to be on the truck(s), rather doing the necessary sales and follow-up work.

When I was cleaning, I had to mesh both cleaning and sales into my day when I first got started. Then, after I acquired more and more jobs to keep the first truck going, I purchased another truck for myself, and continued to do the samething until that one was needed full time. And, so on, until I had 11 trucks going.

The absolute BEST salesman in the world is the owner operator because his drive, and sincerity to help always shows to the potential customer and never goes away.

Pay your techs well, and unleash yourself and go get the business! Believe me, it is not as complicated as  you may think once you organize yourself.

 

Good Fortune to your business success;

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