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    Posted: 28/March/2006 at 8:53pm
is it true the label says nothing about cleaning carpet?
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Dennis

The label does not have specific instructions for carpet but it is impostant to understand why. DFC Heavy Duty Cleaner is certified by Environmental Choice under the Standard CCD146e (degreaser). It is also certifdied under Green Seal GS37 as well as Envirodesic (indoor air quality)

The Canadian Government (Environmental Choice) also has a Standard CCD 148 which is specific for carpets. Our products DFC 105 and DFC 210 are certified under this category. One of the criteria for passing CCD146e is that one cannot put instructions specific to carpet on the label as it would interfere with the CCD148 standard.

So we had 2 options. 1. leave off carpet instructions and put on EC logo or 2. Put on carpet instructions and not have EC logo. We obviously chose the former.

DFC Heavy Duty is very well suited for carpets, has a working pH of 9.00 and will perform exceptionally well.

We just have to follow some of the wacky rules that are out there. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

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Does it self-neutralize, or does it need to be extracted using 105 or some other neutralizing agent?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jim Darling Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/March/2006 at 8:42am

Micahel that is a great question. The only product i have ever seen that might be considered "self neutralizing is ammonia based products and is only the ammonia that evaporates - hence the origin of this term.

DFC Heavy Duty contains something called Sodium Carbonate. Here is what happens. Once diluted with water at a pH of 10.33 the diluted

solution becomes 50% sodiium bicarbonate (baking soda). Then again at a pH of 8.33 becomes 100% baking soda and at a pH of 6.33  it converts into CO2 (carbon dioxide - what we breathe out) This makes it self neutralizing, provided there is sufficient water when you use the product. 

However, the use of DFC 105 provides excellent water softening and rinsing of soils, especially wherre you do not prepsray

Many professionals who use 105 have found that they need less prepsray when they use the products in combination - only where it is necessary.

Hope this helps - Jim

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Good to know, just in case I wanted to bonnet with it. I guess I won't. I use 210 and then extract with 105 in the rinse--I just follow the directions. Works great, I'm very happy. Now I'm really looking forward to using this new product when I can get it.

How does the DFC Heavy Duty do on tile & grout? I currently use Viper Venom (Bridgepoint) and then extract with Spinergy (HydraMaster).

I don't quite understand your chemical conversions. I suppose it's not absolutely necessary, since I'm just an end-user and have no plans to become a chemist. Still, I would be very interested to learn more if you have the inclination to unpack that explantion a bit
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Michael

I would not recommend bonneting with DFC Heavy Duty. In this process you do not have enough water to neutralize the product. i have no doubt it will clean well but the 105 & 210 are better suited for this purpose.

As far as Tile and grout goes, we have 2 choices. It really depends on what type of soil you are cleaning from the grout. If the soil is oil and fat related then DFC heavy Duty will do an absolutely tremendous job. If, on the other hand the soil you atre cleaning is hard water related (such as that found in a washroom on ceramics) then DFC 23 Calcium Lime and Rust remover will work better.

I would assume that most of your work on T&G is resiential so bring them both to the job site. One of these 2 products will work. If you are doing washrooms I would go with the DFC 23 - other than that it might be either, once again depending on the soil load.

 I will absolutely guarantee you that with either of these 2 products, you will save a very significant amount of money over any other T&G product sold in the market

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Michael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31/March/2006 at 11:46am
You're a good salesman, Jim!

One more question: I think this is on another thread somewhere--I recall you giving some explanation as to DFC cleans. Customers sometimes ask the question, "How do you clean without soap?" It would be nice to at least have a stock answer. If you recall the thread, feel free to just leave a link.

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DFC 105 & DFC 210 work on the basis of food ingredients softeneing the soil to the point where the warm water that we use is able to emulsify the soils  with out the need for synthetic chemicals. DFC 23 & DFC 5 dissolve the calcium lime and rust deposits associtecd with hard water

With the addition of the carbonate in DFC heavy Duty we work on saponification whereby we turn oils and fats into soap. Hope this helps

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Jim? I actually have a serious question. Please baer with me. Is DFC formulated for a hydro froce and if so are the dilution rates on the jug or is it just to be put threw the machine. You have probably answered this and I missed it. Thanks.Guitar
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Doug

The answerr to your question kind of goes to one of my above posts. In order to get DFC heavy Duty certified by Environmental Choice we are not allowed to put any directions on the label as it relates to carpet care. I beleive the reson for this is that it is cetrified under the "Degreaser" section.

having said that, most people that I know who have tried it in a Hydro Force are putting about 2 cups in a HydroForce and using the yellow metering tip. I think that is a 4 -1 mixture but i could be mistaken. I am no expert on the inner workings of the Hydro Force. I had 1 fellow call the other day to tell me he expects his prespray cost to go about 60%.

I guess that is a good thing. Hope this info helps

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Yellow is 9 to 1 I believe Jim. I get the picture. all that is left is to give it a try.
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"saponification"

That was the word. Thanks, Jim.
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doug and Jim,

You guys are still in the dark ages trying to figure out the colour combination or tips for your Hydroforce.

Buy the new revolution and dial for DFC.

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