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Dear Sir,

I am about results. Nothing more and nothing less. The system you continue to refer to is designed to give great results (when used as directed) at a great price.

I will put even the base economy system (that runs directly from a hot tap water and no additional heater or pump) against most truck mount cleaners today.

I am disgusted with what is passed off as good cleaning equipment and good cleaning these days and hope to change that with the help of others that want to see true accountability through education take place.

The system you continue to refer to as a shopvac is simply a great vacuum with pumpout at a great price. For tile cleaning a person would be foolish to spend any more money when the system I have at http://econotile.cleantileandcarpet.com

I have already mentioned that I am not thrilled with the drying times I get on carpet which is originally why I got on this board in the first place.

If I accomplish what I intend to accomplish over the next several years. People will learn what to truly look for in a "pro cleaner" and won't be swayed by a pretty truck, fancy ad or certification alone. They will know to make sure proper pre-vacuuming, pre-spraying, agitation, acid rinsing and proper wand stroke is performed.

I have also stated before that the unit you seem to be stuck on is not the issue as to what I have. I have a new way of performing continuous flow cleaning that allows me to separate the water source and/or pressure pump (as well as any optional heater) from the vacuum and places a vacuum on the pumpout source. My original intent was to be able to designate the vacuum unit to handle more power on one or two cords (depending on model) without the amperage pull, weight, binding restrictions, etc. other high-powered continuous flow systems have.

I also wanted to create a true portable being able to have a hand-carriable unit. I currently have a 5 gallon model that has up to 249" of water lift and is hand carriable. The pump would also be hand carriable, but some of the pumps do weigh up to 65 lbs. so you have to be a little stout to carry that one.

I did not originally get on this board to even promote my system and it looks like it would be best that I don't continue to do so. I did not build my website or the temporary URL's for carpet cleaners anyway. I merely was asking for some thoughts from the board.

While the system is available for purchase, my main purposes for it aren't for selling to other cleaners.

I hear people talk a good talk while they knock other systems and cleaners, but the real question is do you put yourself under the microscope with each customer. I do

I have no problem with a truck mount and prefer one myself, but most of the customers I deal with have purchase pathetic self-contained extractors that while easy to use, do little more than wet the carpet and look impressive, but have no real performance to speak of. To make matters worse, they usually are used improperly by putting the detergent in the tank and so forth.

While this will probably never be on a WalMart shelf, WalMart would most certainly benefit from it when compared to the Stallion from NSS they currently have for their carpet. It also would help them keep their bathroom tiles looking new which at present, they have nothing. More importantly, it will do both at a price less than what they paid for the ineffective NSS Stallion.

You don't have to worry about me being like Ken and hawking my wares continually as it were. I have better things to do than selling a machine here and there.

I got on this site to try and find a way to increase my drying times on my economy system and ask about the Superglide and OP cleaning. Ken has been very kind in giving me OEM pricing to check out his glide and possibly sell them with my weaker systems in the future and John has been gracious enough to extend me an invitation to come clean with him.

While I have never been a fan of anything but HWE (when done properly) I am customer oriented more than money oriented and am looking forward to possibly offering them another alternative with VLM as I take this company forward.

Ultimately, my business objective is to eduate commercial facilities around the country (and possibly, the world) as to what to look for in equipment and/or cleaners. For those that are paying proper rates, but not getting the cleaning done properly, we will offer to take over the work, give them better results and make sure each supervisor/manager knows what should be done to keep my guys accountable as well.

For those with inadequate equipment (or inadequate techniques) or those that think they can get professional cleaning done for prices like $6.00 per hotel room, we hope to help them in getting better equpment and/or training or to show them how they can get $.20 - $.30 per sq. ft. quality for $.01 - $.05 per sq. ft. by doing it themselves properly.

Personally, I don't really care what you or anyone else thinks about my system, I am much more concerned with people getting educated so the bozo cleans of this world don't continue to run rapid.

From a personal standpoint, the profit from this invention and the many ways it will be used, is to help oppressed people in prisons and other places learn how to get rid of their stinking thinking and learn to set goals for their lives and becoming the people they were created to be.

I once heard from a very wise man when I was guilty of knocking his equipment without seeing the whole picture for myself. "Make your words soft and sweet because one day, you may have to eat them."

Be blessed.        &nbs p;         &nbs p;        Van

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bjørn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/October/2004 at 9:35pm
looks funny hokey

you should sell a ton of them at walmart

start your own chemical line too.

If I had a pro cleaner start hooking up to my sink I would not have them clean my carpets.

You and Ken have a lot in common

Maybe you can add a glide to that thing for ten minute dry times.



A shop vac with a pump out

Hummmmmmmmm

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Bjorn,

It is only like a stemin demon in that the economy model hooks up to the sink. Any pressure model would hook up to the sink with a pressure pump in line. This can be a 100 psi model or an adjustable pressure pump up to 1,600 or anything in between.

The shopvac look is for the lower priced model, but I have several other casings if looks are what you are wanting instead of a great product at a great price. This shopvac looking model is extremely durable, has 200 cfm and pumps out the water while you are vacuuming at over 5 gpm. An incredible machine, especially for tile and grout cleaning.

Currently, we have models that provide up to 340" of water lift. This does raise the price considerably, but I am more than competative in price with anyone apples for apples. I most likely can match the apples and through in some extra fruit for the same money or less.

I don't understand the Rainbow connection at all except I do mention that we have the same "air scrubbing technology" they tout. Quite frankly, so does any wet vacuum system. The comparison stops there however. Much more power, Rainbow has no continuous flow system, they don't even mention their vacuum or psi, but I am sure it is not worth mentioning either. They cost $3,000.00. I start below $700.00 for model with vac, water hookup, injection device and wand.

If a person wants to get great results for their home or start a business on a shoestring budget, this is a great way to do it. If a person wants a more beefed up system, we can accomodate that to and match just about any portable while adding the continuous flow as well.

If you were being critical, it is because you haven't seen what even this economy model can do and obviously don't understand the overall concept. If you were just commenting wondering what I am trying to do. I hope this helped to clear up your confusion.

While I will most likely sell this to anyone including carpet cleaners and tile and grout cleaners, our reason for bringing it to market extends well beyond that.

Be blessed.        &nbs p;         &nbs p;      Van

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Looks like a steamon demon

and a shop vac

Or a Rainbow set up


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Ted,

The UL listings are already taken care of. Currently, we are looking at different ways to distribute the product, but are mostly looking at selling several units at discount to some large corporation with WalMart being one of them

I will probably end up having it listed with janitorial and carpet cleaning supply places such as yours, but have to get over the fact that many people will do bozo cleaning with it and my main purpose for building it was to provide people that do their work in-house an affordable and effective package as well as suppying a unique national service company we will be starting in the future.

Because of the blessings I have received with the pricing on some of my parts, I am also able to enter the high-end residential market such as Rug Doctor, Electrolux, Kirby G4, Rainbow, etc.

I guess my biggest concern regarding distributing with people such as yourself is that I felt it may be a conflict of interest since I can build a better unit for less money than anything you currently carry.

I would appreciate it very much if you wouldn't mind giving me the procedure you would follow to accept new products however. You can e-mail me separately at van@cleantileandcarpet.com or vandene@consultant.com

If you haven't already, you are also more than welcome to visit my temporary URL's at either http://econocarpet.cleantileandcarpet.com or http://econotile.cleantileandcarpet.com

As I believe I mention on both sites however, I can build just about any combination of heat, vacuum, pressure, etc. a person wants using this continuous flow combination.

Thanks for your advice. I can use all the help and advice I can get.

Thanks and be blessed.        &nbs p;         Van

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Thank you , John. I always know more than I let people know that I know.I find it has it's advantages at times.Having people under-estimate me is something that I work at. lol
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LOL, I got to say Ken, you nailed that one pretty darn well :~)
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Originally posted by vandene vandene wrote:

We have patent filings on the configuration itself which uses the pump separated from the vacuum and pump-out, not the individual pieces that make up the system. This is what is referred to as a utility patent instead of just an individual design patent. Much harder to infringe on which is an obvious advantage for us.

In pricing your new product (as I found the hard way) it is never the actual cost of the manufactured product that you create your profit from. To sell something electrically operated you require CSA in Canada and UL approvals in the USA. This costs thousands. And your insurance to protect the public, yourself and your employees costs thousands.

Patents are cheap compared to paying a lawyer to fight against and protect yourself. Sh** happens. Be financially prepared. If you want to get growth you need a distribution system to sell it. This system will cost more than the actual unit. It goes on and on.

Hope this is helpful and we offer you the very best in your endeavor.

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Originally posted by MR. STEAMER MR. STEAMER wrote:

I can't believe you just said that Ted..... I don't agree

To make it in this business you have to be able to handle all aspects of the business... from the phones and customer service to the cleaning....You need to be able to handle everything so you don't get taken for a ride....nothing wrong with making your own modification... if you have to run to a repair man for everything you'll go out of business

I'll let the lawn guy cut my lawn...and the gardener tend to my garden....the the house keeper keep my house clean... and I'll clean carpet to pay them....

Mr Steamer,

You are the exception. You are the man we all know that by now. I am sure you could be under your truck repairing and have a rope hooked up to a wand also cleaning a carpet at the same time.

But one of the things that helps pay my rent is when an inexperienced repair type of carpet cleaner goes under his truck to save money and finds it costs him five times more for us to repair what he has now damaged.

Now tell me how could you go broke while your professional mechanic is repairing your one machine from $50 to $60 per hour. You are out with your other machine making $100 per hour. That's the figure most carpet cleaners brag about until they need to buy chemicals.

Now don't tell my mechanic you make $100 per hour or he will be knockin' on my door.

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Gmoney: You need to know a little background about Padman to know why he is like a dog with a bone, and wont let it go most of the time. In his family while growing up , they argued over near everything. This started with his father,Grumpy and went on down to the kids. It was expected that you argue everything out to make your point and be able to support your point of view. It is not by accident that John just loves getting into debates today. You might even say that he goes out of his way to find them, and if he can not find them, he starts them by posting stuff he knows will get people riled up. He is one of the few people I know that looks forward to getting people involved in debate. He even has what he calls the Friday Night Fights on his CCSOP board where he invites people to argue over different topics that sometimes he starts. His knowledge in the area of Padding is without equal, and we could never equal him there, but because he has very little experience in the HWE field all his life, probably does not feel he has much to contribute there . I beleive that is the reason that John does not put his input in there. I know this; if the subject is one that John feels he understands enough to give an opinion on, he is never afraid to give it. You may even say he relishes the oportunity. That sometimes means he ends up with his size 16 shoe in his mouth, but not too often. lol 
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Padman,

Originally posted by gmoney gmoney wrote:

 

In response to Padman and yourself, I never once argued his innocence or the fact that he deserved to pay for his misconduct.  That is a given.  The manner in which he was dealt with was totally uncalled for.  The policemen in question turned him into a martyr (their mistake).  Why focus on why Rodney was not guilty?  Which was the crime which had far more social impact?  Its a no brainer.  My question would be why the policemen were not found guilty. 

 And just to clarify, its more of a human rights and professional conduct issue than a racial issue.  I would have the same arguement if he was asian or european. 

Since you are a dog with a bone padman, yes I did see the first part of the video.  Obviously by my statements you would know this because I am not denying his guilt.  Your question is still ignorant because the bottom line is that the police were wrong.  Once a man is down he is down.  Mr. Steamer was right when he said just put a knee in his back and cuff him. 

It's mind boggling why your focus is on wether or not he was acting belligerent.  YES HE WAS.  And yes, of course this justifies the actions of the police! (NOT)  Now continue conducting your important poll.  Because society will be better off as a result. 

Why don't you spend your time asking us our opinions on relevant topics as they pertain to this forum.   

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Padman you obviously did not read my last post. 

 And you contradict yourself by saying you did not condone the beating and then in your next sentence ask why the others were not beaten (implying obviously that Rodney brought it on himself and deserved it).  I already know where you stand.  Van and myself had already cleared the air.

 

Excuse me Gmoney, but I don't think you have much of an idea as to where I stand, and I did not contradict myself at all, I like hearing peoples OPINIONS on situations, and have found very differing opinions based on what was SEEM by the viewers. The FIRST part of the video showed Rodney being very aggressive and contradicotry to the officers. Many that saw it had different views than those that didn't, so why no ANSWER my question as to whether you saw the FIRST part of the video?

Also, your ASSupmtion that I "implied " anything is wrong, I am interested in OTHER peoples views. I stated my opposition to it, but you seem to be more intent on judging my "thoughts" which you know little or nothing about than answering the quesitons.

 

Of course answering the question is NOT a requirement..LOL

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Van: Great to hear about your plans, and I hope you enjoy much success with them. In the meantime, I do believe you may take the title from me about who can write the longest infomercial, but not propably who can post the most of them! lol
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gmoney,

I re-read your post and realized I forgot to answer your question regarding the psi.

The economy system is a straight flow system using the municipal psi, gpm and heat from a hot tap water. We put on a very restrictive spray nozzle to avoid over-wetting the carpet and to utilize the psi of the municipal tap, but it is straight flow.

I can build any psi a person wants with just about any gpm combination as well. From 20 psi to as high as a person wants to go. My most diverse models are either 250 - 1,200 psi or 400-1,600 psi. The first one is more industrial however and can take a higher inlet heat. I also can put in a 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, etc. Basically whatever a person wants.

We have patent filings on the configuration itself which uses the pump seperated from the vacuum and pump-out, not the individual pieces that make up the system. This is what is referred to as a utility patent instead of just an individual design patent. Much harder to infringe on which is an obvious advantage for us.

I originally built it to simply be able to put more power on the vacuum side without having the amperage pull problems others like the Truckforce, Mytee 7500, Intrepid, Hydrotech, etc. were having. While in the prototype stages (and slowly going broke) the tile and grout industry and the Steamin Demon came on the market which gave us further validation since we were already continous flow and simply adding higher pressure on the pump side made for a great tile system and our most base economy system was straight flush (which by the way was already done by Bissell many years ago and is not patentable by Steamin Demon or myself) using a similar concept of high-flow extraction like the Demon and what Shaw says is so (personally, I still like high pressure, heat and moderate gpm) great.

My filings don't conflict with the Demon's, but we still may have to do battle with them since I am sure they aren't going to like me having something similar at a price that is less than a forth of theirs.

Anyway, it is pretty much whatever psi, gpm, heat, cfm, waterlift a person wants and we can build it using this patent pending configuration.

My biggest problem right now (at the risk of sounding religious or holier than thou, which I am neither) is that I truly believe God has given me this to use the profits for a specific purpose. Without going into a lot of detail, that purpose is to build a course that will help those with stinking thinking learn how to re-program that thinking, set specific goals for their lives and have a definitive plan on how to acheive those goals.

As a result, I am not willing to take on any greedy investors. I am currently contacting some people in hopes of finding those that can help me see this goal go forth for this work and will be joining my company with theirs in the future.

We will probably be directing a lot of this course to prisons and the like and it appears I will be moving to the Dallas, TX area soon to work with Mike Barber Ministries and others who have a like mind to help this go forth.

While in it's infancy, this does have a tremendous amount of potential to be uses in the residential, rental and commercial markets and other than having to put my name on the patent filings since they lock you up if you put God on them, I take very little credit for it.

Hopefully, I will learn to listen to Him more closely and kill my flesh (that comes up out of the grave more than I care to admit) more easily, get out of His way, and see His purposes for this fulfilled.

If not, I will stumble through it all in my flesh and still will do okay I guess, but am hoping I will learn to shut up and be still and let Him be God.

Okay, I will stop preaching, but I make no apologies for loving Jesus, only that I (at times) am not the best representative.

Be blessed and keep the suggestions coming.          ;           ;       Van

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