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Alexander, there aren't any people delegating me to write anything on this forum. I have expressed my opinion and have given precise criticisms toward that machine. The flaws are so staggeringly evident that I find it perplexing that you would debate it. I never said it doesn't run or is unusable. I merely said that it has several areas that need to be fixed and/or refined. As is the case with any portable, I don't advocate the practice of running it from a vehicle and I stated the reasons why.
 
Claiming that I am completely wrong is an indicator that there is somebody behind you because I believe that any impartial expert in the industry would agree with my criticisms of the machine. Let me present some of the questions for you and answer them if you will.
 
1. Do you think the rear handle is a good design, despite being flimsy and bolting into the water tank, below the water line?
 
2. Do you like the fact that the waste tank lid does not have a rubber seal to assure proper sealing?
 
3. Do you think that the top chambers should be fastened to the bottom half with screws?
 
4. Do you think it is a good idea for a modern portable to be missing a water pressure gauge? If so, how do you set accurate pressure levels when changing from carpet cleaning to upholstery cleaning?
 
5. Do you think the exterior booster hose is vulnerable? How do you feel about the restriction caused by the connecting ends in that system?
 
6. Why do you like the dump valve design that does not allow you to empty the tank fully, instead causing waste water to stagnate at the bottom of the machine?
 
7. Do you feel that the body panels are too thin and flex under vacuum? Have you ever compared the body panel strength of the Recoil to that of a Mytee machine? If so, do you not recognize a difference?
 
8. Do you think that it is a good idea that the internal vacs use 1.5" hoses rather than 2" hoses or do you think Mr Ed merely opted to use these hoses because they are sold at Lowe's?
 
9. Do you think the 14 gauge wires coming out the back are adequate? Do you like that they are not detachable?
 
 
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Having stated my criticisms toward the Recoil, I think it is only fair to make a list of the things that I like about the machine as well.
 
1. It is american made.
 
2. I like the color
 
3. I like the retro body shape, unlike many who only find it dated
 
4. It has 3 internal vacs and the manufacturer builds an external booster to go along with it, more than I can say for most portables
 
5. It has a good pump, rated at 500 psi
 
 
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G-rut-zy;
It is apparent that you do not know what you are talking about spreading your continual nonsense. But, then again, you are hiding behind a great name. I didn't realize that the RECOIL-XPS system was the measuring stick in this Industry and that bothers you so much.
Better have that other company increase your commissions and/or change your adgenda because that's Mighty Bad(!!).
 
Anyways, this should make your day once again--- here's another "disappointed customer":
 
Posted by LanceCEmail User on 9/3/2010, 8:35 am
 
The Trashed out apt. Insurance guy called me up the next morning (yesterday) after viewing the job I did and called me up. After Busting my chops and saying there was a big hole in the middle of the room, he said,
 
"Lance, Holy #&*@! The Carpet looks Brand New! I can't believe it!"
He was thrilled with the job!
 
It was a Berber type carpet
 
 The Recoil 3 XPS performed like a CHAMP on the second floor Trashed out apt with 100 ft. of Hose.
 
I am so glad I chose this Machine!

A Special thanks to Ed V., Charles, Marc and EVERYONE Else that has offered me so much great advice, education and motivation to pursue this business. I am humbled by your knowledge.

Lance Comfort
Comfort Cleans It
From "Upstate NY
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G-rut-zy, have a great and wonderful weekend! We'll send you some asperin.
 
The very best;
Ed Valentine
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LOL. Mr Ed, your methods never change. You post some hickery d1ckery dock nonsensical, obviously fabricated testimonial, marked with spelling and grammatical errors just to remind people that we are dealing with a simple man. We get it but there is a plethora of members here who are not buying into your elementary methods. You see, some of us have been around the block and a few of us have even gathered a college education. Backyard, hillbilly methods just won't pave the path for you when confronted with such opposition. You see, you are going to have to fight your way out of this with reality and improve that machine of yours. No nursery or barnyard methods are going to do the trick, Mr Ed.
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Alex,
     Ed Valentine "ain't" going nowhere Cry! Out of stock on many items due to so much publicity. He should be thanking you !Clap
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There is no such thing as bad publicity!
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Mr. Ed,

Good job in coming out with yet another anecdotal quote!  That's so convincing!  It's so unheard of from you (I'm psychic, that's why I predicted it in an earlier post, it's not that you're simple or predictable).

And to the idiot that suggest that someone that hates the Recoil should buy it - please don't breed.  Let's see, I don't like sardines, but I think I'll go buy some.  Like $2700 worth.  What rocks do they find you clowns from under.

Oh, and Alexander, the reason we post is because other people keep posting.  You guys just don't stop, and attempt to dominate a forum that way.  I respect your tenacity, but, sadly, you're backing a losing argument, so you lose anyway.  

Just look at your fearless leader.  He actually thinks anecdotes (which can be made up, and even if they aren't are meaningless) are substantial and important data.  I could find 100 people that love a Hoover Steamvac, and go on about it, but it's worthless.  This is how you know Mr. Ed has no argument.  

This stuff about Mytee is too vague to be useful.  What parts are cheap?  The body is much better made, that's for sure.  Ed uses substandard materials that flex badly and, at least in two documented cases cracked and/or had a hole.  Ed uses a superior pump, that's for sure, but then uses inferior power lines, etc...  I heard a few people complain the Mytee electrical system is horrid, though, but who knows how true that is.  It's not something provable or not, but, maybe someone who's knowledgeable can open one up and see if they use inferior electrical wiring, or such.  

The flaws with the Recoil are very well known, and have been pointed out beyond a shadow of the doubt.  The Mytee machines are criticized with vague remarks and anecdotes.  Neither are convincing.  I hope those critical of the machine will open it up and point out where all the problems are, so we can really know it's not just made up nonsense.

I will say this - I looked at the Air Hog, and it looks pretty worthless.  It's nice that it's portable and all, and can be used a standalone unit, or as a booster, but that's where it ends.  It has no pump!  So, you have to buy a Water Hog unless you want to use faucet pressure.  So, what's the point of this???  As a booster, it can only be used in parallel!  So, for all the folks who have portables with vacs in series,  you get to lose lift.  Oh joy!  Also, it's got two vac lines in the back, but when I looked at the manual, the top one is always closed.  Maybe I read it wrong, but I can't figure out why you'd put that in, if you always were going to close it.  And then, you hook up the water pressure cable from the main portable, to the booster, to the wand.  Why?  It doesn't boost the water pressure, since it doesn't have a pump.  It adds setup time.  Yay!  This product truly sucks, and this was the "booster" everyone was waiting for.  It fails as a booster, since it's overly complex (setup takes too long) and can't be used in series, and fails as a small portable because it has no pump.  It's expensive too.  What were they thinking????

I don't know why Ed is the only one that realizes it's important to make an inline booster be able to work in series or parallel.  If you've got a portable with motors in series, you don't want to create a hole, and if you've got a portable with parallel vacs, you might need the extra lift for certain situations.  But, nope, just keep making them parallel only and hope no one knows the difference.  For $900, the Air Hog should do both, and have a 100 PSI pump so you can use it well for small jobs and upholstery, without having to set up the Water Hog too.   


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Ken,

When will your 4-vac machine be available?  

Also, when looking at vac motors, what opening size would you say is the most relevant for most carpet jobs?  I realize that it's not a simple answer, and would depend on situations, but what range is the most meaningful.

Sadly, most people go by the maximum CFM (with 2 inch opening) and Lift (no air movement), which I am finding is not the whole answer, and do not directly correspond to air watts, since air watts peak somewhere in between these two.  For most carpets, which diameter opening do you think is most relevant when looking at vac motors?  

The reason I mention this is, I was looking at the 116765-OD to replace my 116765-13s, and although the maximum values are not hugely difference, the "powerband" is very different, with much stronger values at the 1.5 inch to .5 inch range.  I can't find what the so-called LMB2A is, since no Ametek vacs seem to match the spec that Larry Cobb and Mytee use, so I'm skeptical about the numbers being posted for it.  Maybe you can give some information on that, too.

Thanks.

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The Mytee Wart Hog or whatever they call it is useful if you are running a bit of extra hose and need a solution for the problem. By simply adding the booster inline, you restore full vacuum power. It is not useful in many ways but serves this single purpose well from what I can tell. I am definitely going to get one. I have not had a good look at the CA booster so I can't say if it is good or not.
 
It's comical how Mr Ed brings out the same, old BS that got his a$$ kicked before as if there is some other fate awaiting him this time around. The poor, old coot takes a hell of a beating time and again. I just hope we don't go to hell for kicking the sh1t out of him like this. I'd go as far as to say that he couldn't win a debate in the mirror.
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There are a number of cheaper choices that do that, and in some cases, you'll lose lift.

My portable is 2 3-stages in series.  If I use this "booster", I lose lift.  So, it's not restoring full vacuum power, it's trading off CFM for lift.  When Locko was complaining about the lack of lift of the Recoil, compared to his Eclipse, if he had a booster that only boosts CFM, well, he's out of luck.  The M5 shouldn't have much lift either, so, if you need more, Ed's will do the trick, the Mytee Air Hog will not.  

Here's my question, if you're going to pay $900 for a booster, wouldn't you rather have one that can be used in series and in parallel?  The Mytee is supposed to double as a standalone, but realistically, without a pump, this is of very limited utility.  If you need to add a Water Hog for it to work, it's not so portable anymore, and not so quick.

That's the only thing it does the CA doesn't, and it's not useful.  Being able to work in parallel, or series, makes the product not only useful with more portables, but also in more situations.  For the same price, I don't think the Mytee is nearly as useful.  Of course, if he added a small pump, and gave this that advantage, then you'd have a more difficult choice.  Hopefully, Ed or Mytee will make one that can be used as a standalone (with a real pump) for small jobs, or upholstery, and be able to use it in series and parallel.  I think this type of unit would sell like crazy, as you'd have many reasons to buy it, and would become seemingly indispensable after getting used to having it.  

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Those two who came over here from TMF just to stir up things have no credibility here.  Hell, they don't even have profiles of any kind. 

In the past two days while you two were making fools of yourself I made $3000 off Bonnet Cleaning with of all things REPEAT customers.  One van, one man, and I am enjoying my 3 day holiday weekend.

Talk $h!+ and I will read it on Tuesday if I am not booked to the hilt again.
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Originally posted by Soil Lint Green Soil Lint Green wrote:

Those two who came over here from TMF just to stir up things have no credibility here.  Hell, they don't even have profiles of any kind. 

In the past two days while you two were making fools of yourself I made $3000 off Bonnet Cleaning with of all things REPEAT customers.  One van, one man, and I am enjoying my 3 day holiday weekend.

Talk $h!+ and I will read it on Tuesday if I am not booked to the hilt again.
LOL.....what a dork.
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Do you all want me to go away? I personally didn't come here to stir

things up. So I think I have said all I need to about the subject previously
discussed. I don't want to debate or answer a lot of questions that I have already
answered before. Don't get me wrong I am happy to relate facts and opinions that are valid in my expertise. I believe this is a very nice forum and I would like to read more opinions from people I do not know yet.
 
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Originally posted by alexanderS alexanderS wrote:

Do you all want me to go away? I personally didn't come here to stir

things up. So I think I have said all I need to about the subject previously
discussed. I don't want to debate or answer a lot of questions that I have already
answered before. Don't get me wrong I am happy to relate facts and opinions that are valid in my expertise. I believe this is a very nice forum and I would like to read more opinions from people I do not know yet.
 
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