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    Posted: 05/September/2010 at 11:14am
I tried a few different brands and found out that some work and some do not. So far "Gain" seems to work the best. Do any of you use fabric softeners on your portables and if so, do you have a preference?
The other nice thing about using softeners is that they serve as a defoamer as well as a deodorizer, saving you money.
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I use chemicals engineered by carpet cleaning chemical manufacturers for the specific purpose of defoaming when I use a portable.  I don't use laundry detergent to clean carpet or fabric softener to defoam a tank.
Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity?
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Grutzy.....Using Fabric Softener as a defoamer is scientifically sound if it is cost effective for your application. Adding a tea-spoon of table salt in your return tank is just as good. better still would be to use Liquid Tide ( He for front load washers ) as your cleaning agent ( some have Fabreeze in the receipe ) Tide does not foam up thus reducing your need for any defoamers.
 
Don't let big chemical companies tell you that carpet cleaning chemicals is any different than Tide. The active ingrediants are the same at a fraction of the cost.
 
Remember H1N1, when big Pharma scared half the world into taking the shot, all the while the head if the World Health Organization didn't get hers.......... same deal here.
 
Only fools and the uneducated fall into commercial marketing traps, like " Whiter than White " or  " Cleaner than Clean " the  best one is buy our soap, it lasts longer because it floats to the top and is lighter than the rest ( No it's not ) it's because the soap was mixed too long and created air pockets..........it was a bad batch, a mistake, an employee error..... but they went on to market a mistake into millions of dollars.
 
Use your fabric softener as much as you want, if you listen to fools..... you will only become foolish yourself.
 
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I agree with you completely, nightrider. There used to be a product called "Marks Off" and it was for ink, nail polish etc. It was sold by a company called Workmaster and in later years I found out that it was nothing more than re-bottled isopropyl alcohol. I am going to try the Tide when I want to use a detergent in my portable. However, sometimes customers have large amounts of soap residue in the carpet before I get there and I need a defoamer for those applications. Thanks for the tip on Tide!
Does table salt knock down the foam enough to control it even as it continues to come into the waste tank?
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Most fabric softeners are cationic and will interfere with the performance of your cleaning agents that are anionic or non-ionic. These products will also interfere with the stain protection of the carpet.
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Most pre-spray chemicals are not anionic and I do not agree that they hinder non-ionic pre-spray chemicals. Most high PH pre-sprays are cationic anyway. Fabric softeners do not affect detergents used in cleaning clothes so I don't see how they would present a problem on carpets.
 
I have used fabric softeners many times and they did not affect cleaning quality negatively. Most carpets that are cleaned don't have any protector left on them anyway and should have it re-applied after cleaning.
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I am so fed up of all the know it alls regarding carpets, carpet cleaning and chemistry. How easy people get sucked into the big chemical companies way of trickery is far beyond belief . The schools are almost empty with no students roaming the classrooms for a tiny bit of education. Learn some Chemistry and physics and you too will be using alternative better and cheaper cleaning agents. REMEMBER.....the best cleaning agent is WATER..... and only WATER.....better still.....HOT  WATER.  But chemical companies cannot market just water so they have to add something to it.....ever look at the ingrediants to your so called superior carpet cleaning chemicals.....93 % to 97 % water
 
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Nightrider, while water is the main source of cleaning, it must be empowered with cleaning agents to work well. I agree with you about not being fooled by the industry chemical manufacturers but surely I would not want to use ONLY water to clean carpet.
 
Back to the subject, lets remember that red dye transfer chemical is mostly nothing more than ammonia. This is a perfect example. You can buy ammonia for $2 a bottle or buy the one from your distributor that sells for $35. I keep the two part red dye remover just in case the ammonia fails but more times than not, the result is the same for either one.
 
I'll be trying Tide this week for a general detergent thanks to your advice.
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Grutzy... If you have a portable with an aggitator brush, go give a free demo at any Chinese restaurant and use only hot tap water, and see what happens . I have also used a Steamon Demon with only hot water, and the results were the same.....A CLEAN CARPET. Chemicals or soaps only suspend soil and grime for a short time period, the water is the carrier. I have cleaned hundreds of thousands of sq. feet of carpet over the last almost 40 years using only hot water.
 
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Nightrider, I'm with you on a lot of what you wrote but this is where the bus drops me off. There is no way in hell that you will get restaurant carpet clean with only hot water from a tap and no chemical. I have a Hydramaster Titan in my fleet and know how beneficial hot water can be in conjunction with good cleaning chemicals. Water is surely the means of travel but first the dirt, oil etc must be removed from the carpet fibers and suspended so water can haul it away. Chemicals serve this purpose and water alone won't do it.
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I have to agree with Grutzy on this one. Clap

Water alone can not possibly remove all of the uglies from a carpet (especially oil based matter). Dead

Knowing that nightrider uses only hot water to clean carpets I wouldn't hire him as my professional carpet cleaner. As a customer I would feel like I was getting ripped off. Ouch

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Big smile.....Maybe I have magic water, DietCoke if you would feel ripped off by me cleaning your carpet using only water.....how do you feel every time you put gas in your car, or do your income tax, how about when you have to buy pills or medicine, do you ever feel like you're getting ripped off then.
 
Look at every chemical you buy and the percentage of water is high 80's of % to 90's%. Look at the Diet Coke you drink 93% water.
 
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When nightrider starts defaming marketing and sales it's time to bring back the 'Hide' commercial. Since ineffective cleaning products such as water-only will only 'Hide' the soil we should call it what it really is. In fact, so many professional carpet cleaners do just that on a regular basis. If the customer only understood they would feel ripped off.

Marketing and sales is what keeps the world churning and prospering. The funny thing is nightrider is the KING of marketing and sales and has all the answers when he is selling but he is too cheap and not willing to share his fortune when actually using products.

Maybe we need General Lee to step in and teach us about surface tension to prove the worthiness of a good detergent.

Nice to see nightrider sharpening his axe and coming back with his love and hate answers to our questions.

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Does the ionic charge even matter if it just goes only in the waste tank?
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