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Grutzy
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Nonsense! Bleach works wonders on urine odor removal. What you are missing is that the combination of bleach and ammonia is only dangerous in strong concentrations, not when the bleach is diluted heavily in water.Mixing diluted ammonia or urea with diluted chlorine is not dangerous and in fact is what goes on in swimming pools and spas. The reactions are as follows:
2NH3 + 3HOCl --> N2(g) + 3H+ + 3Cl- + 3H2O Ammonia + Hypochlorous Acid --> Nitrogen Gas + Hydrogen Ion + Chloride Ion + Water (NH2)2CO + 2HOCl + 1/2 O2 --> N2(g) + CO2(g) + 2H+ + 2Cl- + 2H2O Urea + Hypochlorous Acid + Dissolved Oxygen --> Nitrogen Gas + Carbon Dioxide Gas + Hydrogen Ion + Chloride Ion + Water If you were to use concentrated solutions, especially of chlorine, then you can form higher order chloramines including nitrogen trichloride which smells really bad and is irritating and in sufficient concentrations, dangerous. We are not talking about high concentrations, so therefore you are way off the mark. Grimel, if you make another inaccurate post like the one above, I will stuff you right back where you came from, the dreaded Recoil Scrub Pit.
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grimel
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Putting bleach on anything containing ammonia (urine) is an accident waiting to happen. All you have to do is clean someone's carpet who has respiratory problems. Even small amounts of chlorine gas can put them in the ER.
Bleach is over rated for almost everything cleaning related. |
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When all else fails, read the directions
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nightrider
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Use a bleach for unbleachables, perfect for trashed carpets. You can also use a Non Bleach formula. The 2 mentioned will also save your lungs and eyes over long exposure.
H202, needs to be handled with caution, although it's many benifits from adding to drinking water to harsh cleaning tasks, it would not be cost effective in your application.
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duckcountry
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But it is not recommended by the carpet mills, the carpet chemical companies and that justification is hardly in line with industry standards. The only safe bleach I know of if H2O2 which is found in some factory formulated chemicals.
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Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity?
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Grutzy
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I only use it on disgusting, urine stenched carpets so liability is non-existent since the carpets should be replaced anyway. In addition, I only use a very small amount and there isn't nearly enough in there to lighten a carpet.
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papagator
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Sounds to me (and maybe only me) that your luck will run out soon and using bleach will bite you in the A$$. Then you'll have to replace the custy's carpeting.
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just swimmin in circles
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Grutzy
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I think some of what makes me very good at this profession is that I have an open mind and try nearly everything. I have tried some of the super expensive odor eliminators and have never come away impressed with them. Even the newest ones with hydrogen peroxide are limited in their ability.
There have been times when I walked into a house and it was as if I walked into a giant urinary tract. Of course, it would be best to simply discard the carpet and pad, clean the subfloor etc. but some customers don't want that for varying reasons. I have found that a dab of bleach in your extraction water works better than anything. Of course I would also recommend water claw flushes and make sure you charge a significant amount extra for it. I would stay away from the $75 a gallon chemicals because they are too expensive and don't even work as well as a $3 gallon of bleach. You just have to be very conservative with how much bleach you use so you don't damage the carpet.
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