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    Posted: 05/September/2010 at 11:20am
I think some of what makes me very good at this profession is that I have an open mind and try nearly everything. I have tried some of the super expensive odor eliminators and have never come away impressed with them. Even the newest ones with hydrogen peroxide are limited in their ability.
 
There have been times when I walked into a house and it was as if I walked into a giant urinary tract. Of course, it would be best to simply discard the carpet and pad, clean the subfloor etc. but some customers don't want that for varying reasons. I have found that a dab of bleach in your extraction water works better than anything. Of course I would also recommend water claw flushes and make sure you charge a significant amount extra for it. I would stay away from the $75 a gallon chemicals because they are too expensive and don't even work as well as a $3 gallon of bleach. You just have to be very conservative with how much bleach you use so you don't damage the carpet.
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Sounds to me (and maybe only me) that your luck will run out soon and using bleach will bite you in the A$$. Then you'll have to replace the custy's carpeting. Clown
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I only use it on disgusting, urine stenched carpets so liability is non-existent since the carpets should be replaced anyway. In addition, I only use a very small amount and there isn't nearly enough in there to lighten a carpet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote duckcountry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/September/2010 at 9:15pm
But it is not recommended by the carpet mills, the carpet chemical companies and that justification is hardly in line with industry standards.  The only safe bleach I know of if H2O2 which is found in some factory formulated chemicals.
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Use a bleach for unbleachables, perfect for trashed carpets. You can also use a Non Bleach formula. The 2 mentioned will also save your lungs and eyes over long exposure.
 
H202, needs to be handled with caution, although it's many benifits from adding to drinking water to harsh cleaning tasks, it would not be cost effective in your application.
 
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Putting bleach on anything containing ammonia (urine) is an accident waiting to happen.   All you have to do is clean someone's carpet who has respiratory problems.  Even small amounts of chlorine gas can put them in the ER.

Bleach is over rated for almost everything cleaning related.
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Nonsense! Bleach works wonders on urine odor removal. 

What you are missing is that the combination of bleach and ammonia is only dangerous in strong concentrations, not when the bleach is diluted heavily in water.
 
Mixing diluted ammonia or urea with diluted chlorine is not dangerous and in fact is what goes on in swimming pools and spas. The reactions are as follows:

2NH3 + 3HOCl --> N2(g) + 3H+ + 3Cl- + 3H2O
Ammonia + Hypochlorous Acid --> Nitrogen Gas + Hydrogen Ion + Chloride Ion + Water

(NH2)2CO + 2HOCl + 1/2 O2 --> N2(g) + CO2(g) + 2H+ + 2Cl- + 2H2O
Urea + Hypochlorous Acid + Dissolved Oxygen --> Nitrogen Gas + Carbon Dioxide Gas + Hydrogen Ion + Chloride Ion + Water

If you were to use concentrated solutions, especially of chlorine, then you can form higher order chloramines including nitrogen trichloride which smells really bad and is irritating and in sufficient concentrations, dangerous. We are not talking about high concentrations, so therefore you are way off the mark.
 
Grimel, if you make another inaccurate post like the one above, I will stuff you right back where you came from, the dreaded Recoil Scrub Pit.
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It brightens up the tips on nylons. One of my slum lords always leaves
a gallon of chlorine bleach at his trashed out apts. Confused
 
I add to prespray 8oz/gal. diluted your safe. Confused
Thats the only place it is used. Trashed out and empty. Confused
Dont really like the smell even though all the windows are open! Confused
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Originally posted by Grutzy Grutzy wrote:

Nonsense! Bleach works wonders on urine odor removal. 

Grimel, if you make another inaccurate post like the one above, I will stuff you right back where you came from, the dreaded Recoil Scrub Pit.


You can try to blather on, but, when you run into ONE person with respiratory problems I hope you are carrying enough liability insurance.  Dilute/concentrated makes no difference other than it takes a lower concentration the more respiratory problems someone has.
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Originally posted by John L John L wrote:

Dont really like the smell even though all the windows are open! Confused


Respirators are cheap.
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Once your customer smells chlorine bleach you may get a negative call-back condemning you for your actions. If it works you will get NO call-back meaning you just gave them the formula and they will never call you back defeating your profit.

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The word bleach to a customer is similar to mentioning acid. They immediately think that battery acid is an extremely harsh product. Back publicity and bad for profit.

Profit is associated with Pro. The more professional you are the higher the Profit...plus because of your efforts in doing and thinking like a Pro you truly deserve it.

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This is the same reason I dont use vinegar as an alkaline neutralizer no matter how cheap it is.
 
I only use products that the customer can't get themselves.
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The problem is that the products that you get from the industry do not remove urine odor and cost way too much. Only an imbecile would continue to spend $75 a gallon on an odor counteractant that does not work. Also, I do not tell my customers that I am using bleach.
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Sorry Ted.....Profit has nothing to do with being a pro at all, just look at all the oil companies, banks, mortgage companies, large retail box stores.....where's the professionalism there, they hire cheap labour to be their pros and customer relations agents.....imagine that $ 10.00 / hour PROS.
 
Kenny, funny thing you should mention vinegar, I used a gallon just last night to neutralize a floor stripper just before the sealer.....wow what a smell.....like a french fry festival.....know what the owner of the place said....." That's fantastic didn't know vinegar was good for that, then asked me if it was good to put in the sink drains..........guess what..... just make a customer for a long time.....he was paying $ 37.00 / Gallon for some other drain deodorizer, compair that to $ 2.19 Gallon for vinegar.
 
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