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PadMan
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Extended Description: 4. Carpet Cleaning Requirements: a. All carpet(s) must be cleaned using an oscillating absorbent pad method that includes pre-treatment with a very low moisture (VLM) non-toxic, bio-safe cleaning solution containing colloidal-silver i.e. Abstraction from Carpet Care Systems (or equivalent). NOTE: To determine the acceptability and effectiveness of any “equivalent” cleaning solution(s) requires the vendor to provide the substitute product (equivalent to Abstraction) for demonstration (at no cost to the Commonwealth) to the absolute and complete satisfaction of the Division of Building Services, prior to award of contract. This demonstration shall be completed within 10 days after notification is provided. This method is similar to the rotary bonnet method in that it uses a machine that resembles a floor buffer however, instead of a rotating brush the machine oscillates the brush through a circular orbit. The carpet is pretreated with a VLM cleaning solution, which is allowed to “dwell” per the manufacturer’s instructions. An absorbent pad is attached to or placed under the brush. The dampened carpet is then “agitated” with the pads to remove the soil. The pads are replaced, as they become dirty. Pads must be replaced often to prevent transferring soil back to the carpet. b. All chemicals and equipment must be handled by trained, experienced persons. Documentation substantiating this requirement must be submitted to DBS with the bid package. c. The contract holder shall provide a one time cleaning of all accessible carpeted areas at the price per square foot listed in line item 0001. 1) The 4th floor and basement floor has already been cleaned and is excluded from the contract to be awarded from this solicitation 2) In place furnishings on the 1st through the 3rd and the 5th through the10th floors reduce the total “cleanable” carpet area by an estimated thirty percent (30%), leaving an approximate area of 102,970 sq. ft. to be serviced. 3) The 11th floor is currently empty therefore the entire 15,455 sq ft of carpeted area is considered “cleanable” for a total area to be cleaned of 118,425 sq. ft. d. The contractor will not be required to move and clean under large “fixed” furniture items (desks, file cabinets, partitions, etc.). Cleaning under desks will be to the best extent the vendors equipment allows. The contractor will be expected to move, clean under, and replace more easily moved items (tables, chairs, wheeled copiers, trashcans, etc.). NOTE: Any square footage mentioned above is believed to be accurate, however, the Contractor is responsible for verifying all measurements. 5. All cleaning must be accomplished on a schedule pre-approved by DBS. a. Based on the agreed upon schedule DBS will notify the tenants to remove personal items from the floor. A DBS staff member will check the scheduled work area on Friday afternoon to help insure it is as ready as possible for cleaning the following day. b. Once carpet cleaning work begins the contractor shall continue working during consecutive scheduled work periods until all work is completed. Work periods begin at Friday midnight and end Sunday midnight. This provides the contractor with a forty-eight (48) hour work period. The contractor is required to complete all carpet cleaning within six (6) consecutive work periods (6 weeks). See the Best Value Section below for best value consideration. Any exceptions that affect completion of work as scheduled must be reported to DBS in a timely manner so schedule adjustments can be made.
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Monsterclean
Newbie Joined: 12/March/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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Ok Padman, You definitely would not have won the contract in Hampton Roads. If you understand government contracting, then you understand why. You would also understand why I (a naval reserve supply officer) am skeptical. All government contracts exceeding $2,500 in value must go through contracting. In a competitive market, contracting will solicit three bids. They generally will hire the lowest bidder. However, carpet-cleaning exceeding $2,500 will almost definitely go to an 8a company (minority-owned, small business set-aside). If you are 8a, you are equivocating...leaving some very important information out of your story. Any future requirement for the government to use your system is completely illegal. PERIOD. Padman. I am not the one claiming to make 17 cents per square foot; you are. I can't find a contractor willing to pay over 10 cents a square for large-scale commercial work (unless I move furniture). Since I am not in the furniture-moving business, I do not take jobs that require furniture removal. I am not talking about moving chairs. If you are getting these great rates and are staying busy, then you are living in one of the least competitive markets in the United States and.... I'm moving to Kentucky! Edited by Monsterclean |
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PadMan
Dr. Low Moisture http://ccsop.com Joined: 11/March/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1032 |
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I got paid 20,000 dollars for the job, and it was incredibly dirty, we only did it because it got us ALL Kentucky State jobs HAVE to be cleaned with this system now, the Capitol building bought a machine, janitors winning bids are buying the machine etc. I know all the "I make a fortune on every job" lines, I have heard them several times, but USUALLY those are the guys that when I visit them don't have a pot to piss in. We normally average approx 120-150 dollars and hour each on our cleaning, several jobs upwards of 300 dollars and hour each. But I am not ashamed to show the tough ones where we made great money. Some guys woudln't do the job fo r that, but then they wouldn't have the 20,000 in thier pockets either. Anyone TOO good to make great money are probably full of sh*t in there claims of making ANY MONEY. |
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MR. STEAMER
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I agree to many pad changes........118,000 sq ft 5 1/2 days yes thats too much time on one job..... Me and my partner did 40,000 in 4 hours he took one floor and me the other...and thats at 10cents ...we cried not enough money....that would have taken 2 days padman style.... If you use the proper pre-spray-----the right rinse---and low water pressure---and make sure that the ventilation is going......... no wick backs Padman I like OP but hell it takes too long...I could to 10 places in the time you do one with half the work force |
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Monsterclean
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Help me understand this.... It took 5 people 5 1/2, eight-hour days to complete 118,000 square? It took 220 man hours to complete 118,000 square? Are you kidding me? I would fire my manager if it took over 30 man hours. PADMAN, was this contract an 8A set-aside, or a competitive bid? Did you make money with your system? Are you sure? Are you really sure? You wouldn't make money in Hampton Roads, VA. I clean similar spaces for 7 cents a square. I clean large commercial spaces without furniture for 4.6 cents a square. I average $200 an hour on the job. Most cleaners just don't get it. The cost of your machine is insignificant. Efficiency is all that matters. I run the most expensive machine on the market, and I make more money than most of my competitors. I could show you on paper that your machine costs more than my Vortex. Just ask.
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greg
Journeyman Joined: 02/February/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 444 |
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WICK BACKS HAPPEN STEAMINPILE, YES EVEN WITH BONNET IT DOESNT HAPPEN TOO OFTEN BUT IT HAPPENS.AND WHEN IT DOES I EXCEPT FULL RESPONCEBILATY.
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nothing is impossable. it just hasn't been done yet.
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PadMan
Dr. Low Moisture http://ccsop.com Joined: 11/March/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1032 |
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Yes we do, that way when you use the pads you can rinse the chems out of the carpet.
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MR. STEAMER
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so I guess you pre-spray the chemicals pad man???? |
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PadMan
Dr. Low Moisture http://ccsop.com Joined: 11/March/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1032 |
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no Senor Steamer, it ORBITS at 1725, NOTHING like TURNING at 1725, that would fry the carpet. Look at the videos on my website |
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MR. STEAMER
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I want to see your machine...1700 RPM's is real high...you could burn up the carpet.....how many sq ft can you do with one pad padman??? |
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PadMan
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I agree with OPERATOR error, which of course is the cause for MOST prpblems. Your rotary runs either 175 or if it is a high speed 300 rpm, the OP machine runs at 1725 rpm, but that is OPM orbits per minute, the acutal pad turns slowly. |
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Steaminpile
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I STILL say wickbacks are operator error. I had 1 wickback last year and it was cuz I got lazy.
Oh but that's right. Padman was the ONLY cleaner in town who could keep the carpet from wicking with his amazing rag spinner. |
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MR. STEAMER
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I'm almost sold on OP not....lol you could use a million pads.....I only have 10...so that my problem...ok now I'm sold just keep wipin...and wipin and wipin....hhhmmmm interesting...same idea with bonnet pads??????sounds like alot of work...Ted I need more pads... Padman how much rpm do I need to run....I have a couple of floor machines here..I'll get one rewound SOLD Edited by MR. STEAMER |
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carpetologist
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Padman We sell a basic carpet & floor polisher called Centaur. You can see it on my site. For oscillating equipment we sell Oreck. The Bonnets we sell not pads are the thick type with the green astro-turf across them. |
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