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PadMan 
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 Posted: 22/October/2008 at 3:11pm |
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Done the portable and the truckkmount thing in the past, learned how to get better results with OP. Mastering one, got rid of the need for BOTH.
It is almost impossible to master TWO methods, mainly because you will let your bias decide how to clean a carpet instead of learning by sticking to one or the other in all situations.
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John L
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Posted: 22/October/2008 at 1:33pm |
Would that happen to be you?
  Maybe so since you don't HWE..
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FreshAire
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Joined: 13/May/2008 Location: Perth W. Aust Status: Offline Points: 251 |
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Posted: 22/October/2008 at 11:08am |
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but who is to say you can't be a master of more than one?
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PadMan
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Posted: 22/October/2008 at 10:34am |
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I would much prefer a master of method than a Method man, too many have several methods and have mastered NONE of them.
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John L
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Posted: 22/October/2008 at 9:59am |
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These days you have to be The Method Man/Woman..
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Soil Lint Green
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Posted: 22/October/2008 at 2:51am |
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Agreed, FreshAire. That sums it up hopefully for everyone.
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It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk.
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FreshAire
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Posted: 21/October/2008 at 7:14pm |
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I still stand by what I said Soil Lint, but I won't "chastise" you for your choice- if it works for you, it works!! Enough said...
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Soil Lint Green
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Posted: 21/October/2008 at 3:09pm |
doug, what is YOUR point???????? Are you saying because of your tunnel vision approach to the industry that you view alternative methods as a threat to your existence? It seems you feel your professionalism has been called into question. hwe as its place as does VLM. I don't do Damage and Restoration work so I really can see very little use for an hwe in my business anymore. |
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Soil Lint Green
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Posted: 21/October/2008 at 3:02pm |
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Actually, these spots where there after the carpets were cleaned by
someone else, before they were cleaned by them and after I cleaned them
three times. When I went back this last time VLM did more than make
them disappear, unlike the other times where they returned after 2
weeks, they are simply gone.
Sorry gentlemen, but try as you may you cannot argue away success. I am a convert who once believed as you HWE guys go. For general carpet cleaning, my belief is VLM outperforms HWE. I will always keep my HWE equipment around for times when I may need to shampoo and rinse - also for large spills and treatment of urine using the waterclaw. I am convinced that the right tool for the right job should be the rule. Why use an axe where a scalpel is needed? |
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FreshAire
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Posted: 20/October/2008 at 8:01pm |
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Soil Lint, who's to say the same wouldn't have happened in reverse? You've VLM'd after HWE, meaning the HWE probably took out the bulk and VLM then just finished it off, so it's an unfair conclusion.
Had you VLM'd first and had that result (and yes, it can happen!) then HWE'd you'd have drawn the same unfair conclusion. No offence taken by your choice of weapon and why should anyone be offended, but call a spade a spade and at least make comparisons fair. In my experience, occasionally VLM will out-perform HWE, at other times the reverse is true, you have to learn how to deal with both systems effectively and both will give you great results in the right context... |
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doug
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Posted: 20/October/2008 at 3:53pm |
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so what's your point??Are you sayiing becaues of your lack of knowledge regarding HWE you are going with vlm???
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Just My opinion
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Soil Lint Green
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Posted: 20/October/2008 at 3:27pm |
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I went over spots on carpet that when I did them with a HWE they came back in 2 months. I believe that to be a wicking effect.
Same spots 4 months later, gone. VLM alternatives do not promote wicking, including delayed wicking since they do not reactivate whatever is down below what the eye can see. Hate to say this but I will believe what I see before I will buy what I hear. My hope is that nobody will take offense at my decision to hold fast to my principles and choose to disagree with the argument that HWE has some superior edge of any VLM methodology. |
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duckcountry
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Posted: 15/October/2008 at 3:37pm |
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Freshaire, you need some.
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Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity?
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John L
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Posted: 15/October/2008 at 12:24pm |
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drop a load on 'em
OPP, how can I explain it O is for Other, P is for People scratch your temple The last P...well...that's not that simple huh It's sorta like ah..well..another way to call a cat a kitten It's OPP Well if you do, that's OPP and you're not down with it But if you don't, here's your membership Get down with OPP Who's down with OPP
You down with OPP Who's down with OPP It's the longest, loveliest, lean-- I call it the leanest It's another five letter word rhymin' with cleanest and meanest I won't get into that, I'll do it...ah...sorta properly I say the last P...hmmm...stands for property Now lady here comes a kiss, blow a kiss back to me Say OPP (OPP) I like to say with pride Now when you do it, do it well and make sure that it counts You're now down with a discount You down with OPP Who's down with OPP You down with OPP Who's down with OPP (All the ladies) This gal tried to OPP me Had a fall out, disagreement, yeah an argument She tried to do me so we did it in my apartment  'Cos you know I was OPP, hell from the very start Come on, come on, now let me tell you what it's all about When you get down, you can't go 'round runnin' off at the mouth That's rule number one in this OPP establishment You keep your mouth shut and it won't get back to her or him Exciting isn't it, a special kinda business Many of you will catch the same sorta OPP is you with Him or her for sure is going to admit it When OPP comes, damn-- skippy I'm with it You down with OPP (Yeah you know me) Who's down with OPP You down with OPP (Yeah you know me) Who's down with OPP.. Edited by John L - 15/October/2008 at 12:31pm |
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