"Define a TM???"

Just thought I'd ask.

Good Fortune to the SteamPile;

Ed Valentine

Is A Small TM Like The Spitfire 3.2 1000 PSI Runing 100 feet of hose

Any Better than a 500 psi portable runing 25 feet of hose ??????

A Truckmount just makes you look more professional, and big time, like most things in life we are deceived by our own illusion & perception.

A Porty on steroids is just as powerful as a Truckmount and will yield the same results.

The customer given a demo side by side will chose the cleaning ability of the Truckmount even though it's the same, not even realizing it's the Technician who does the cleaning.

I can hammer a nail with a rock, but the customer would rather see a real hammer.

                                  Nightrider

TM stands for NO BULL sh*t!

I have both ...I've used both...but I only love one...

save your back kill a porty

no pull and pushing crap for me...

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE my TM!

When I get OLD and FAT and OUT OF SHAPE I'll probably buy a truck mount too

well using a porty is what makes you old... takes years off your life...

can you do 10 houses in a day with a porty...lol

He doesn't have to do 10 houses in a day, he just has to do 5 and make the same money as you Steamer, because unlike you he has no gas to pay while cleaning, and setup with a porty is faster therefore less down-time and less repairs= more dependable.......if it breaks rent one............if your truckmount breaks........you're screwed.

While in the maintenance I relied more on a Porty that my trucks.

                                  Nightrider

Checkmate... The guys at hydamaster say the 3.2 will blow away any porty..

You also didn't specify what kind of porty... The 3.2 will out do them all...(that's what they say)...Porty's vary....

But i also heard through the grapevine that the Recoil porty with booster will equal the 3.2 in performance.... Now, mind you... This is what i have read on bb's... so take it with a grain of salt or ask more questions....

I have a 500 psi ninja that I use for small jobs.

 I agree with nightrider it does not mater the size of the tm

nobody unless on vacation wants you draging a monster

portable in their house, and disrupting there lives one of the most common quistions I am asked by older people is when are you leaving.

with my portable I try to just stick with offices when I do get a tm then I will aim for more houses. One thing for sure is if you have only one TM then a good portable can come in handy if your TM Breaks down in the middle of a job. I would say me and my ninja have a love hate relationship. As far as The guys at hydromaster, I dont Know, But I would love to speak to someone who has a spitfire because I am thinking of buying one.

TM is easy of life.........

no water to fill and dump every two seconds....

if your doing a big house(4000 sq ft) 10 to 12 rooms or so... you can finish in 2 or so hours...

a porty you'll be there all damn day...5 hours at least... so you save on gas.... how much though..

That type of house will only cost me maybe 5 bucks to clean....

for the easy I'd spent 20 bucks in my TM... and have 3 extra hours to drink some beer or do another job...

nightrider I thought you where smarter than that...

porty's are good for apts... and places you can't get to with a truck and thats it..

as long as my hose reaches I'm using TM!

I guess I'm not that smart Steamer, or is it that you are being fooled by your own deception

When I had the golf course to do I had 4 (12 gallon portables) clean an area of 15,000 sq. feet overnight in 5 hours. 2 of the machines had 20" scrub brushes.

Total cost for me was 13.15 /hour x 4 for a 7 hour shift in which they had 1/2 hours paid lunch 2 breaks 15 min /each 1 hour downtime.

Contract Cleaning $ 1,800.00

Labour cost       -  $    370.00

Products        &nbs p;  -  $     60.00

Pizza & Beer     -  $    110.00

Inncentive Bonus  $    200.00 ( $50.00 cash each )

Profit                   $ 1,060.00 for 1 nights work

You're right Steamer I must be stupid, I think I'll stay that way.

                                Nightrider

Doug;

Respectfully speaking, I guess I can conclude by your very remarks toward myself, that they may be in less than a respectful light. For what reason, I guess that will never be known.

However, just  the very nature of your comments (and jab) in referring to a so called "sales pitch" from myself (in defense of our equipment) would give very little creditability to your own position.

It is too bad that you dod not think too highly of my comments on this board; however, I think it may be high time you just may want to look at yourself in the mirror my friend. This could be the best move you will ever make.

The very best to you and your success;

Good Fortune to;

Ed Valentine

http://www.cross-american.com - www.cross-american.com

Ed:  A portable is just that a portable.  some may be as powerful as a tm and with the right operator get even better results than a tm.  I simply do not believe having a generator + vac booster + Portable = tm? In a comparison your equipment may be better than a tm.  But it is still a portable.  Ed I am not in the business of selling equipment manufacturing equipment or sales .  If a comment regarding your people who sell tm as portables  or portables a tms offends you.  Well don't take it so seriously. and you have a good day.

nightrider wrote: I guess I'm not that smart Steamer, or is it that you are being fooled by your own deception When I had the golf course to do I had 4 (12 gallon portables) clean an area of 15,000 sq. feet overnight in 5 hours. 2 of the machines had 20" scrub brushes. Total cost for me was 13.15 /hour x 4 for a 7 hour shift in which they had 1/2 hours paid lunch 2 breaks 15 min /each 1 hour downtime. Contract Cleaning $ 1,800.00 Labour cost       -  $    370.00 Products        & ;nbs p;  -  $     60.00 Pizza & Beer     -  $    110.00 Inncentive Bonus  $    200.00 ( $50.00 cash each ) Profit                   $ 1,060.00 for 1 nights work You're right Steamer I must be stupid, I think I'll stay that way.                                 Nightrider

these numbers are bogus... first you said it took you 5 hours then you said 7 hours... 

I can't do 15,000 sq ft in 5 hours with 4 trucks...lol  it would be close

DLD said it  to full of sh*t to quit

MR. STEAMER wrote: TM is easy of life......... no water to fill and dump every two seconds.... if your doing a big house(4000 sq ft) 10 to 12 rooms or so... you can finish in 2 or so hours... a porty you'll be there all damn day...5 hours at least... so you save on gas.... how much though.. That type of house will only cost me maybe 5 bucks to clean.... for the easy I'd spent 20 bucks in my TM... and have 3 extra hours to drink some beer or do another job... nightrider I thought you where smarter than that... porty's are good for apts... and places you can't get to with a truck and thats it.. as long as my hose reaches I'm using TM!

Noi offense Steamer, but if you're doing your cleaning at that speed, you can't be doing a very good job. And I've operated TM's and portys.

Willy you have no idea then 4000 sq ft total house.... how much of that is carpet...  5 bedrroms with and over sized Master bedroom and walk in closet...a huge hall Living dining den and family... and 1 flt of steps..

how long with a porty?????at least 5 hours

time with a truck mount 2 hours steady working like I DO

I have used both for years too.

you must have a real short stroke

Wake up porty people ..... it takes longer... it's not as powerful....it's better to use a truck if you can....

25' ft of hose wouldn't get you out of the masterbedroom...50' wouldn't get you down the stairs... you have to lug that sh*t up stairs even with a vac booster...

ok get 2 vac boosters... just more crap to carry in...lol

if I'm going to go through all that trouble...i'd get a truck mount

Steamer, the shift is 7 hours/night/7 days/week general maintenance contract, if they work 2 hours they get paid for 7. The carpet cleaning was an add on 4 times /year.

Portables were old 12 gallon junk machines, I only buy old crap and leave it at the customers.2 were 100 psi, 2 were 200 psi/scrub brush.

Carpet was not really dirty, few soft drink stains & coffee. This was the dining & breakfast areas.

YES it was done in 5 hours/ 4 portables

If you can't clean 15,000 sq. ft in 5 hours with 4 truckmounts is because of the downtime to set up, then you're too tired to start work, then you have to prespray, then you have to pick up the wand, then pick your nose a little, take the last puff of your cigarette, then maybe start working.

I was running a business, not a playground, my cleaners came to work, and work they did. I treated them good, in return it was no nonsence labour. Other days when it was slow, we goofed off.

ALL MY NUMBERS ARE REAL, AND TRUE, OTHERWISE I WOULD NOT HAVE POSTED IT.

                                   Nightrider

Nightrider Blah blah blah

with the filling and dumping no damn way.....

unless you had a guy that just serviced the water.... otherwise get the hell out of here

Yes, I did have a guy to empty the water, he worked just a hard as the cleaners, he would connect a 75 foot drain hose,pull the lever and it would drain onto the grass & pavement below ( which was hosed off afterwards )

THAT GUY WAS ME,...........NIGHTRIDER, DO YOU THINK I JUST SAT THERE AND ATE PIZZA & BEER, WHILE THEY WORKED THEIR ASS OFF.

                         Nightrider

Mr. Steamer- You ain't tried a quality portable. I have no problems with up to 75 foot hose runs and get 4-6 hour dry times, I use a big ol' 3 piston General pump for water spewing, so I get lots of pressure and flow. I set up by a bathroom so filling from a hose and dumping aren't a big task.  I also am very quality oriented, investing some time for stain removal and small details as I find that the little things set you above the herd. Meatball or commercial cleaning I can average up to 1000 sf an hour and wrongly assumed you move furniture.How much more is your fuel bill at the end of the day? What about repair and maitanence? What about rising fuel prices? I've operated Cleanco, Steam Genie, Big Red,JEM, White Magic, some homemade and locally manufactured machines. All good tools, but expensive to run and maintain, not to mention a substantial purchase price.I do service a niche market in high rises, but I also have a motto of going where there's dirty carpets, so part of my whack is residential. My customers don't give a fat rat's ass about what I use to achieve a good cleaning, but just are pleased with good results, and pay me well for it.

John L, I had 2 Truckmounts at the time........1 I purchased from Ted at KleenKuip. It had a No.68 Blower and I changed the pump to a 3500 psi with 250 gallon fresh & waste tanks.

I went with the portables because the last time I used the Truckmounts for the job it took us 2 nights of 7 hour shifts to do the same work.

Truckmounts are Great, but way to much Over-rated. Great for small commercial jobs of 4 or 5 thousand sq.feet. Larger commercial jobs 2 or 3 portables would be a better choice.

                           Nightrider

Ok lets not kill a dead horse....

it's not the song it's the singer....la la la la

Song, sung blue, everybody knows one...........song sung blue, every garden grows one........Steamer knew I was telling the truth, so he just ran away, everybody know that a porty blows a truckmount away.

Now I'm going to far.

                             Nightrider

No we ain't getting anywhere with this... so lets move on...

a guy with a small prick will always say size doesn't matter

I don't care about your small prick so lets move on...

Why is it that when a man is beat by intellegence he reverts to name calling, or size of the male sex organ.

Steamer if I would have a big prick, that would  mean I was a good carpet cleaner and know what I'm talking about, if I don't I am stupid, dumb and not capable of cleaning a carpet.

That being said would mean that porno star John Holmes and Ron Jeramy should actually be running the world, solving trade issues, feeding the poor, working on global warming etc etc.

These are the 2 biggest pricks out there Steamer, and mentally you're number 3 .............now go clean a carpet using your other head that God gave you to think and talk intellegent with. 

                                     Nightrider

I was simply stating a fact making a comparison....

which is quite true... portable guys will always say there stuff is as good if not better than a truckmount

I don't blame you be happy with what you got

nightrider wrote: Why is it that when a man is beat by intellegence he reverts to name calling, or size of the male sex organ.

hhhhhmmmmmmm

You have a long......long.......long way to go to defeat me intellectually, not to say that you are http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=intellectually/v=2/SID=e/TID=F562_74/l=WRS/R=0/KR=intellectually+disabled/;_ylt=ArRZFRdI4bcwmc2V7pIwthxXNyoA/SIG=13jgk94a0/EXP=1121809889/*-http%3A//search.yahoo.com/search?p=intellectually+disabled&rs=0&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t - intellectually disabled   but rather Intellectually Deprived

                          Nightrider

GREAT Comments, Night-Rider! And, very true too.

Good Fortune;

Ed Valentine

http://www.cross-american.com - www.cross-american.com

of course Ed you like his comments you make portables...

I would like his comments too..if I made portables

biased opinions do not count

I have used both and TM is better by a long shot... Instead of being in a whole house job for 4hrs or more you would be done in 2-2.5...No dought about it...

If you have the loot get one... you'll be glad you did...  mine will be installed next week... MAN, I'm so excited, I'm ready to jump out of my skin..........LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! goodby bucked brigade and extention cord rapping............

John L ..........how can you make pre-conceived comments on a piece of equipment you havn't worked with for at least a year or 2.

Truckmounts are great, I bought my first brand new one in 1985, then bought 2 more a year later. I then had a total of 5 units.

5 units 10 guys working every day with an average of 5 to 7 houses per truck per day every day for 8 monts per year, plus commercial.

The key work here is 1985 to 1992 when I was getting .35 sq foot for homes , 1.50 for stairs, 2.50 for wrap arounds( average house was $200- $250 ) Commercial was .18 to .20 sq. foot and gas was cheap.

Today a truckmount just doesn't cut it unless you are a lone worker that bought a used truckmount and just want to make a living.

If you want to run a business & make money look at all the variables whick include a truckmount, portables & the  OP system.

I can only speak of where I live, what happens in other cities is beyond me, but I think it would not be much different.

                                   Nightrider

How can I you ask...Easy... I've used both... I know what they can do when it come's to performance... Time is MONEY... I'm a one man sometimes 2 men operation...Time is MONEY...

If a Tm don't cut it today then tell me why SS uses them and make millions a year... They should use portables right NR...

I have nothing against a good porty and obviously you don't either but come on man a TM blows any porty away... you  know this and if you run your biz right there will be plenty profit...

TIME IS MONEY......

Can you tell me who SS is first, then I can better answer your question.

                              Nightrider

I was not familiar with Stanley steamer until I entered the name in my data base.

In order to make $ 1,000,000 in carpet cleaning you must clean 10,000,000 sq.feet of carpet @.10

Stanley Steamer makes the bulk of his revenue through carpet sales, duct cleaning, tile & grout,& floods.Do not forget franchise fees, chemical sales & so on. The carpet cleaning end of it is small potatos.

I can see where truckmounts are a greater asset to him because of the facts I mentioned above.

Also as part of his franchise offer you must purchase a truckmount from him, are you wondering why, not because it's the greatest thing since sliced bread but rather because his profit margin is greater selling a truck than a portable, plus the fact that it also doubles as a mobile billboard for his company name.

Unless he wants you to push a yellow portable down the street from customer to customer he will push the truckmount.

It is unfair to yourself John L to purchase something with great expectations of earning a greater income because of your equipment.

Time is not always money, so be carefull. Time is structured to never ever stop, but you have to, and time keeps going and moving along. You will always be behind the 8 ball with time. What is more important is how you use the time you have, that is where you lose money.

Think of owning a truckmount and cleaning that house that normally takes you 4 hours with a portable & now 2.5 with your truck as the guy who quits smoking 2 packs a day to save money............do you think he will have $ 4,000 in a piggy bank at home at the end of the year.................. The time you will be saving will not add up to much at the end of the year unless you have another house to do to fill that time up with every single day and every hour of the day.

I don't want to discourage you with your purchase, I hope you use it well and make lots of money and have loads of fun doing it. Manage your time well and the truckmount will earn you some big time money, get sloppy with the time saved and you will have a nice shinny truckmount to decorate your driveway with.

                                    Nightrider

Mr. Steamer, sir:

You wrote:

"of course Ed you like his comments you make portables...

I would like his comments too..if I made portables

biased opinions do not count"

_____________________________________________________

I just wanted to call to your attention that you have a TM and therefore, could be also be considered; "Biased" in your own opinions, eh?

Your glasses must be all steamed up, Steamer!!!

Your Yankee friend,

Good Fortune;

Ed Valentine

http://www.cross-american.com - www.cross-american.com

But Ed I was and am a porty user.... I know wher to put my porty in the house to get fast work out of it....

I'm not against them... i'm not looking through colored glass... I can see clearly...

In residential carpet cleaning porty's eat up too much time...  Apts are a bitch to clean and houses are just to big to handle...

in a commercial environment they might be better... but the 500 psi Ninja that I have...doesn't have the cleaning power of my truck mount

I know because I've tried both

Steamer;

You may correct in sighting your particular portable. However, the problem I have is how we generalize the word: "PORTABLE"------in other words assuming that all portables are alike and at the sametime, generalizing that every fuel run TM ($5,000-100,000 vortex) are equal.

Listen, for a Vortex unit at $100,000 and all the insurance one has to pay for it, I hope the purchaser gets a few extras that we do not offer with our base high-performance portable/TM systems.

But, regardless, ALL GREAT SYSTEMS will give GREAT RESULTS if the operator knows what they are doing.

Have a great day, Steamer, and if you are ever down this way, we have a Tim Horton's right around the corner!!!!

Your Yankee Friend;

Ed Valentine

Nightrider;

Actually SS in my neck of the woods does close to 2mil a year on just cc and uph. cleaning... no duct's, sales of carpet or tile&grout...How do i know?? well that's my big secret...But it's a fact...not saying your right or wrong but they all don't run their biz the same...

These # are reachable... Back in 84 I managed a 15 porty operation out of Milwaukee bringing in 100k per month...Well that's 1,200,000 dollars per year....And that's no BULL !!!!!!!!!

After 20yrs I have already reached my expectations/goals and nothing...I mean nothing could discourage me from getting better and more tools...

It's not about the money, even though when your working Time IS money...Our stock holdings actually make more... It's a passion...It's doing it BETTER than your competition...WOW'ing your custy's consistently...

Take care,

just turned down another porty call.... no time for foolishness..

I rather stay home and wait for a real call to come along

Meanwhile your Truckmount is collecting dust outside Steamer, or is it that you don't have money for gas

                                   Nightrider

John L, that's great.......looks like you have it all wrapped up and on your way to be a carpet cleaning success story. Any man or woman that can manage a 15 man porty operation to earn a 100,000 dollars revenue deserves all the respect in the world, that's quite a milestone.

Why then, would you want to re-invent the wheel and go the truckmount route, unless you feel that you can generate a revenue of  $200,000 per month revenue with 7 or 8 truckmounts.

                                 Nightrider

Re-invent... I like that man... It's not about the loot i said before... Don't want all the headache's associated with that many tech's and jobs again...been there done that... no more...

I'm on EASY STREET now...Have plenty to stay bizzy... I like it the way i have it... no headache's, no tech's to piss me off or destroy tools and lose custy's... Again it's a PASSION............

You are way way toooooooooooooooo negative...You can reply to this but I'm done with this subject...You know where i stand....K.I.S.S...............

PASSION 

IF IT WAS TRUELY A PASSION..........YOU WOULD BE DOING IT FOR FREE OR VERY LITTLE MONEY

CASE CLOSED

                        NIGHTRIDER

the passion of money dumb dumd....lol

and it's nice do do something you like and get paid for it

I'm Dumb Dumb......... and he is......... Dumb Dumber

                                    Nightrider

it was a friendly dumb dumb............ dumb ass

cmon nightrider

I'm sure you got a few chest hairs... no need to get bitchy

I'm never bitchy, you take everything too serious, I'm just here to have fun and piss everyone off..........I see it's working with you Steamer

                               Nightrider                       

dontlikedennis wrote: just thought i would sound off. I say a porty with 500psi and heat is "da bomb" put a good glide on the wand and use a short hose where possible and you'll have some deadly results and deadly dry times!   dont listen to the sh*t these TM guys talk they have to talk that sh*t because of their investment

I agree with you look at how much gas costs and how much TM's are to service.If something goes wrong with my machine i need not wait for parts to come in and i have no down time like you would with a TM.I even had an IIRC instructor comment on guys with TM's that said they were nuts to invest all that money.I'll stick with my ninja and floodpumper thankyou.I also think that people that use TM's are trying to make up for fortunes they lack in other areas,so they must try and compensate by purchasing a truckmount to impress the ladies.

doug wrote: when you shake your portable mentality and open your eyes instead of your mouth you will find there is a very large differenct.  with that being said Portables will always have a place in the cleaning industry.

That is true portables will always have a place in the cleaning industry.How many 39 dollar jobs do you have to do a month to make your truck payment?

cmaster wrote: Maybe that's your problem. Your prices are too low. $39? Raise your prices and buy a TM

I don't have to wonder where my payment is coming from because i don't have to do 39 dollar jobs as i don't own a truckmount.I make more money in this town than the fools competeing with other idiots that own truckmounts.    

John L wrote: Mine is paid for... no payments to be made...no repo man to worry about.... If you only knew keben the difference.... TM envy...????

Not at all,hell i'm even going to buy a portable duct cleaning machine.Just amuses me how people with truckmounts compete with each other .

heck i've had my recoil for almost 7yrs now and have no problem satisfying customers...and i still use it when the situation calls.....BUT...

http://tinyurl.com/73xcr - http://tinyurl.com/73xcr

Makes cleaning easier....

keben wrote: doug wrote: when you shake your portable mentality and open your eyes instead of your mouth you will find there is a very large differenct.  with that being said Portables will always have a place in the cleaning industry. That is true portables will always have a place in the cleaning industry.How many 39 dollar jobs do you have to do a month to make your truck payment?

I don't do $39.00 jobs they are for the porty people?

John L wrote: If you used one you would want one...in a heart beat....it's all about the money......Like racing...how fast ya wanna go....Money....how fast ya wanna clean....Money...

Yeah yeah all about money i see so many firms that are IICR certified in their flyers why do they charge less then for being certified?Of course you have to clean fast to pay for your gas etc for tm's.The carpets are no cleaner  the faster you,I'll stick with my portable and take shorter strokes thankyou,and have a repeat customer.

John L wrote: Dude...I have many repeats...many!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do you want from me a trophie with a van on it with a hose hanging out of the back? 

Keben,

Have you ever used a TM, or are you just pissed at some lowballing IICRC certified firm with a TM that cleans for $39?

cmaster wrote: Keben, Have you ever used a TM, or are you just pissed at some lowballing IICRC certified firm with a TM that cleans for $39?

I have used truckmounts on several ocasions and really i don't care for them that much.When i'm done a job i just put windshield washer in the pump of my portable to prevent freezing and also have a heater in the back of my van.It still pi$$es me off to see these certified firms lowball everybody else.Do you ever see a doctor lowballing on a throat operation?Of corse not they are getting paid for the time they spent being educated so if we are IIRC certified why shouldn't we get paid for our education and the changes we have to keep up with in this industry.The same is also true for fire and water damage restoration.

keben - are these IICRC firms really IICRC certified firms? I don't think so. In the YP here there are 6 or more firms that say they are certified but are not. Go to http://www.iicrc.org - www.iicrc.org  and see if they are. I bet they are not, just have there card and think that all they need.

When I used only a portable my min was $59 so no $39 here. now it is $65.

Portables are great, thats how I paid for my TM in ca$h, it was used but worth it 

I used my porty today on an apartment with a Rotovac. 1 fill and 2 trips up and down is all I needed. With the TM 2 trips as well. $65 + GST and $10 tip

Porty Pro's & Con's

Cheaper to buy and fix

put inside in the cold

better for apartments

better security in buildings

water to fill

water to empty

noise noise noise

going up stairs

fitting between cars and across grass

forget about getting it up spiral stairs

heat

in the way when cleaning 

lifting that dam thing of and on the truck

don't forget to tie it down (I lost a window of my truck at a stop light)

noise 

I will never use my portable in a house again if I don't have to.

TM Pro's & Con's

Filling with water

Emptying the dirty water

Making more $ per hour

Spending more $ per hour

Working less hours for the same $

Heat  

Noise is outside, you can talk and hear your phone ring

Stairs

Security in buildings

Cost to buy

Gas to run

Van is hot in the summer to be in after cleaning

Hoses are lighter than a porty

Look like a Pro  not to many TM that work out of the family car.

There is no such thing as something that is perfect for everything. next thing I am going to buy is a small spotter. The right tool for the right job saves time, stress and makes you more $$$

Please add to this list

Auto pump-out at customers or at home

sain dump at the gas station near me. free with fill $2 with out. need gas all the time.

You make a lot of $$$ to fill that waste tank  still less than 5 min for emptying at sain dump.

Do you like the town homes with some floors with no ware to dump or fill? Up and down the stairs with the pails Don't spill on the clean carpets. Do you use the customers toilet brush or do you have your own? Move-out don't have them at they just cleaned the $hitter.

A lot of the clean I go to put all there junk in the bathroom so that I can clean, this was no fun with the portable. And how come you run out of water with only 10sf left and if you don't you have 5 gal left to pump out.

I will never give up my portable, but I like my TM better.

Maybe if I had auto fill / dump on my portable it might not be so bad.   

Let see 2 power cords 1 fill hose 1 dump hose 1 vac hose 1 solution hose 1 portables all in the way and the noise How many trips do you make to the truck?

I rather starve than use a porty... unless the call was big

MR. STEAMER wrote: I rather starve than use a porty... unless the call was big

Well you just might with the rising gas prices. 

doug wrote: Keben: I think you should stick to the prortable section. There you run with the boys and impress the hell out of everyone with you porty stories?

Don't ever tell me where to go on this board Doug.

MR. STEAMER wrote: I rather starve than use a porty... unless the call was big

No More Swiss Chalet for u!

doug wrote: who the hell died and put you in charge???

Is that the best one liner you have today Doug?Now go back to your porta pottie,the one with the big star on it.

I don't usually waste my time on people who hide their true identity and hide behind some handle of some sort?

keben wrote: doug wrote: who the hell died and put you in charge??? Is that the best one liner you have today Doug?Now go back to your porta pottie,the one with the big star on it.

I believe you are the one who makes a living with a porta pottie??

doug wrote: keben wrote: doug wrote: who the hell died and put you in charge??? Is that the best one liner you have today Doug?Now go back to your porta pottie,the one with the big star on it. I believe you are the one who makes a living with a porta pottie??

I'd love to  lock you in a dam porta pottie,then tip it over.

doug wrote: I don't usually waste my time on people who hide their true identity and hide behind some handle of some sort?

Well then its easy don't type.

doug wrote: I don't usually waste my time on people who hide their true identity and hide behind some handle of some sort?

Doug i found a category for you to hang out in,"Hot air blowers"

Just joking Keben, we have to have some fun here  

Can't fight all the time; or can we?