Looking to build the best flood truck .Water extraction only .What would you build?and how? BLOWER ENGINE ETC.Thanks Terry.

PLS KEEP IT SIMPLE ,NOT SO NIMBLE .LOL

Terry why water extraction only? Having fresh water on your truck rules!

I would recomend a cube van for floods. I can send you some pictures of my truck if you like.

Scott

I do sub work for  one company.

Run a bruin 2  to clean for them  and flood work,witch is fine for now.

But here in Montreal we have really cold times in Jan ,Feb lots of broken pipers .

Would like to put just a flood truck on the road for them.

Because i have missed about 20 jobs this year.

But don't want to spend the money on a full truck .

Would not to able to keep it working all year round.

What i mean is too much work for one ,but not enought for two.

Thanks Terry

How to keep it simple.

Purchase  a Ninja Flood Master. This unit will pump and suck 30 gallons per minute non stop continuously. And will double as a carpet cleaning machine. It is on this site.

Thanks guys.

Ted i'll call you about the flood master.I was the one calling from Montreal about the pto.

Shop at  fourniture select .Vincent Begin , he does not have them .Think it's more in line for me then a second truck.

P.S what would a bruin  2 suck a min?. If we have a guy dumping .We also have a pump out from pc what would that pump??.Thanks Terry

pss Talked you're self out of  one more  truck sale 

Terry,

Another idea is to purchase a used #4 or #5 blower for approx. $1,200.00
Purchase a drive shaft PTO with clutch for another $1,500.00 install a recovery tank with or without and auto pump out.
Have it all installed and you will have a slick vac water flood pick up unit.
Total approx. cost installed maybe $5,000.00 to $6,000.00

Five serious floods should give you that return.

Or you being in Montreal could rent one of nightriders hoses and wands since he can use three off of his truck and generally only uses one.

Ted:  Ihave to disagree. Wasteing $5000. or $6000 on a mish mash not my idea of a fix.  Don't forget to add another $5000 or $6000 for the truck. You can buy a used cd unit in the truck for less than that. You can also add another few bucks for hoses and wands.

It was a simple question.

I was only wondering if you were building a complete truck kit with everything.

Sorry

We Dry wrote: It was a simple question. I was only wondering if you were building a complete truck kit with everything. Sorry

What would complete truck consist of?

Extractor, wand/hydro X vac, lgr's, airmovers, hoses, attachments, cleaning solutions etc. Somthing along those lines.

Here's a simple question. What does Lrg's, mean ?

Thanks

Low Grain Refregireant Dehumidifier...It's the new technology of dehumidification also there is desiccant dehumidification.

Desiccants will get your vapour presure down whereas LGR's wil only get as low as 28GPP

A normal dehumidifier will dry to 55GPP

LGR dehumidifer will dry to 28GPP

Desiccants will dry down to the teens.

I have had our 8500 CFM units down to 2GPP

Thanks We dry but I believe I am out of my league here. I will let you experts discuss the difference between which dehumidifier is good for the job.

Hey there. No problem!

I was browsing through this site and seen that Ted has a rental division now. They have regular dehumuidifiers and LGR's. So if you ever need any I believe they have them.

Talk to ya soone eh!

Thanks We Dry

Ted's always coming up with different idea's. It will be good for the carpet cleaner that wants to clean up a flood for their customer without sub contacting the work out or going through the expense of buying all the equipment for just a few jobs.

Eh!!!!!! a real Canadian

100% Canadian and PROUD of it!

Yes, Ted will do great with the rental divisions. Hes and inventive man...Ever hear his message on his voice mail?.....lil...Elvis.........Well..Im sure we'll chat again....Talk to ya soon....

We Dry, Thanks for coming on board.

You may notice that flood work has had more views than the average post in a very short time. I can only conclude that we have a higher than average interest in knowing about flood work.

This is still a new field for most and many are hungry for knowledge. I will attempt to put more efforts into this area and would appreciate and encourage you to do the same. Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks in advance.

Does flood work simply mean sucking up water and leaving with your fee? If that's you then you have only performed a very small portion of this whole big picture. Possibly many bad, unhealthy experiences and or expensive repairs may be down the road for your customers. Is it your responsibility to explain what they are? Do you know what they are?

I challenge We Dry to get more involved and enlighten us on what's down the road for those of us who want to become true restorative cleaners.

1. Where do we go from here?
2. Where are the learning institutions?
3. What's an average investment?
4. Can I rent equipment?
5. Do I have legal responsibilities?
6. How do I find moisture if I can't see it?
7. What's the difference between mold and mildew?
8. Is there a wholesale company that I can turn my floodwork over to and recieve a commision?
9. What are the health issues?
10. Do I need to be registered with any organization?
11. Is it difficult to get insurance companies to do business with a small carpet cleaner?
12. Can I be sued for doing a job incorrectly?

Hey Ted......Its We Dry just getting back to you.....

Here we go!

Does flood work simply mean sucking up water and leaving with your fee? = NO WAY........I wish it was that easy... ........There are many things involved in water damage mitigation..........Insurance, Liability, Equipment, Storage facilities and the biggest issue is future law suites against if you provide moisture control services and they are improper.

1. Where do we go from here? Everyone needs to get educated, not saying that we don’t know everything but we all learn everyday new and better things. And better ways of providing our services. Education is the #1 asset you can have to your firm. With education you can prove what you’re doing and why you’re doing it. That is usually the biggest challenge that most water mitigation firms are faced with.

2. Where are the learning institutions? Let’s start in Canada. There are two...One being in Barrie Ontario and the other in Hamilton Ontario which is my own school. Both schools have ASD, WRT, AMRT and many other courses to offer..Al courses are certified by the IICRC and some by the ASCR Foundation.....You choose, but most insurance institutes only will accept the IICRC as a certification.

3. What's an average investment? This is a broad statement....I don’t know what is involved...Just water or fire?...If its flood you would need the essentials like, 25 Airmovers @ an average @ $375.00 = $9375.00....5 LGR dehumidifiers @ $2400.00 = $12,000.00.....Truck @ $700.00 per month with a leasing option @ 12 months = $8400.00......Extraction unit....Ted I don’t know how much these are......Just add it in here if anyone knows....We are already at $30K....That’s with just some equipment and a truck not with the extractor. We are not even including the cost of the extraction tools... There many more to include, insurance/liability, employees to perform this services, training in water damage mitigation.......I’m sure there are more this is a quick brief rundown of some!

4. Can I rent equipment? Equipment can be rented from Ted Harding, CDT International CAT and Munters. All provide equipment nationally and globally... Your best bet is renting through Ted Harding.....

5. Do I have legal responsibilities?  Well...YES. Yes it sucks but we all do......What if "we" think we dryed Mr. Ted Harding’s house and then 3 moths later he is calling back with a microbial issue... We are most likely liable for this...and it will only be covered by our own pockets. You do not want your insurance provider knowing that we have contaminated  Ted's entire house with mould spores........ So just a quick answer...we are all liable in every project we go in.

6. How do I find moisture if I can't see it? Informed cameras work well if you know how to utilize them. There only read temperature differentials........Non invasive moisture meters and an instrument called a boroscope......Your can get a boroscope that has a camera so you can see it on a small TV.....

7. What's the difference between mould and mildew? Mould grows on most building materials and mildew grows on plants.....

8. Is there a wholesale company that I can turn my flood work over to and receive commissions? Ted that’s what I provide....I do work for may contractors and they basically have me perform there water mitigation services and they invoice the insurance firms.

9. What are the health issues? Mould Mould and More mould...... ....You can get beat up with this very quickly.....Cross contamination in houses are a big topic. If you don’t dry and contain properly then there are MANY health issues.

10. Do I need to be registered with any organization? Get registered with the IICRC and some IAQA organizations... Indoor air quality associations....

11. Is it difficult to get insurance companies to do business with a small carpet cleaner? Its hard to get insurance to use large national firms some times...So yes...And all you can do is keep trying and trying!

12. Can I be sued for doing a job incorrectly? YES YES YES..... If the insurance firm calls in another contractor and they prove that it was done incorrectly then they have a legit case!

Hope this helps.......

We offer the MRT mould course....Do you have that one?

Ooooops!  How far out will you folks go to rent out equipment (KK)

Ted asked me a question and I answerd him with a basic answer.

You should have enough equipment to handle 5 losses at any given time...

Brian - your right that seems to be how the insurance industry wants us to calculate.  Its a beautiful thing.  They want us to be ASD certified and WRT certified to be on their preffered list.  Now we can justify the equipment on the job with the education to back us up.  We cannot completly depend on certification or education on every job, sometimes job experience is the key to completing a job properly.  It sounds like you know what your talking about.  How long has our other panelists been at this?  I see some old and some new school in the panel.  I myself like to use a bit of both old and new.

Brian - your right that seems to be how the insurance industry wants us to calculate.  Its a beautiful thing.  They want us to be ASD certified and WRT certified to be on their preffered list.  Now we can justify the equipment on the job with the education to back us up.  We cannot completly depend on certification or education on every job, sometimes job experience is the key to completing a job properly.  It sounds like you know what your talking about.  I know what your saying with the calculations but I think you messed up with the numbers a bit.  I think that one Lgr would do the trick.  If your saving the carpet, pad, trimwork and painting and you have it all dry in three to four days some of the educated adjusters are buying into it.  How long has our other panelists been at this?  I see some old and some new school in the panel.  I myself like to use a bit of both old and new.

Brian...I like those figures. When we get a call in the Toronto area for flood equipment they usually want and think they need one or two dryers but no dehumidifiers.

You can see a lot of education is needed here.

We Dry wrote: We rent equipment all over Canada and the USA....We have equipment in trucks ready 24/7.....

We Dry wrote: No. I do not rent throgh KK...Sorry about the confusion....

To help clarify...

KK rents it's own flood equipment and We Dry does not rent through us. But, from time to time with KK's volume buying power has wholesaled from We Dry to satisfy our existing customers. Especially on the larger units.

KK also purchases rental equipment from many sources including We Dry to re-sell as used but not abused equipment.

From time to time you will see it for sale on this site.

SAMMY.....

Are you saying that I am a direct compeitor with you?

I supply many firms across Canada with equipment and there is not a problem...

SAMMY.......

Check your facts before you accuse!.....Have a good one

We dry: I am not the type to accuse.  I work off facts alone.  It is my opinion that as people in the restoration business use this forum and they find out who you are you will get the same feedback. 

Sorry,  yor bed! you have to sleep in it.

Sammy

Why is it the we "as contractors/suppliers/service supliers" cannot just get along and network together. Eventually we all need each other for some kinda help within our industry......All of us...

In a perfect world I agree.  We should be working with each other.  Every now and then the almighty dollar gets in the way.  Sooner or later somebody will back door you because the dollar is more important than the relationship.

You know what I mean We Dry!

Anyway time will tell

Sammy

I'm not to sure what you are refering to but I for one know that I have "NOT" back doored anyone nor would I..... Lets think about it... Would I like to do one direct project with an insurance firm our would I like to do several losses for contractors numbering in the hundreds and may I add hundred of thousands of dollars?...It does NOT  make sence to make more $$ on one project than it does to loose the chance on making much more $$ on more than one project...

Example......

1) 15 losses a year with an insurance provider..Mmmmm, Not bad money.......

2) 15 contractors giving you 15 losses a year which comes to be at a total of 225 losses..... What would I rather have? FYI...I have more than 15 contractors using my services....Im not trying to talk but Im tryn to show that Im  not what you apparantley think I am....

I duno...Sorry about whatever your thinking!

Its an obvious what I would and HAVE chose!

Well... Seeing how your all soo smart why dont you just tell me......

And when you say people be carefull.....I have many people that you probably think wont use us that actually do use my services.......RAP sheet...... please.........I have many sheet with contracts and thats it.....so SAMMY......

CONCLUSION......

Everyone has an oponion and even Mr. Just My Oponion also....

This is just "My Opinion"

Well...Mr. BigRed....Do I sence some anger at all?......lol..seeing how you have my numbers why dont you cal the office and ask for mr We Dry and talk.......

Its really pathetic on how some people will go to any extreme to bash someone in the industry especially when they dont even know who there talking to........

Mr Back Door Victim......Its a shame that you are touchy on this toic.....I feel for ya

doug wrote: Mr. WE Dry:  Lets cut to the chase.  Do you or do you no deal directly with insurance companies in the Hamilton GTA area?  It would appear that the questioin is in regards to your service area from your office.  I am not referring to your rentals around the world.

Mr. WE Dry:  Did I miss the answer to this question ?  If so could you please repeat it.  I am not all that bright at figuring thinks out.  Just a simple yes or no would be great.

Im not silent.... Im just simply not going to get into a pissing contest on the internet.....

Take it how ya want!

I love this controversy. We have not had this much since we lost nightrider. It's great and we should get everything out in the open. It's healthy. But it seems to me that in construction, flood and fire being one of the same that it is very common practice for companies even competitors to do sub-contracting. Or am I all wet?

Are we not all just trying to make a dollar? I had no idea there was this much resentment and animosity within the ranks of the fire and flood industry.

Sammy

Competition is a wonderful thing and without it we would become fat, lazy and miserable. Competition is the blood of life keeping your wits sharp and it keeps you hanging in.

Yes it's all about the cash grab..... Let me tell you most people pay for what they get.... how many times have you heard..."just suck up the water" and you try to tell them that that's not all it involves...and you hear again "just suck up the water"...

If the customer doesn't want to pay your magic number...you "just suck up the water" and when it doesn't come out good...and their hell hole smells like the port-a-potty pit.... they talk crap about you and your company.

This is where you have to learn..... they don't want to pay to do the job right then WALK... no money is better than a little bit of money and a black eye

Whos NIghtrider?

Kleen Kuip keeps approx 50 pieces of flood equipment available for rental units.  When I need more to satisfy one customer I rent from WE DRY.  Its works for me.

I am glad they are their for us.  If others choose to not rent from them its there option, but these people have made a healthy investment and must come up with creative ways of showing an investment return.

I would be sweating on the days I would see all that equipment stacked up in my storage room.

All this bickering appears to me that some companies are feeling that the larger and more aggressive companies are getting the edge on business, and maybe they are right.    I see that Sears is now entering the Flood Restoration Market across Canada.

Every one says they do a poor job but they became Canada's largest carpet cleaners. Will they gain the same status in Flood Restoration?

They certainly have the resources to do just that, should the smaller and intermediate size restorers be putting on their thinking caps and maybe talking with each other.  

In the supply business I am friendly with all my so called competitors even though from time to time we cut each others throats, I would rather be on speaking terms with them as opposed to not speaking.  Makes for a better life.  You asked in your post about rental equipment that I explained. A question was asked of We Dry. Do you rent through KK?  Answer was no. But KK rents through We Dry from tine to time to satisfy KK customers  Is there something wrong with this?

As for KK performing actual Restoration work !NO! we do not, period.  Now work that comes in over our website or our phones we will refer these potential customers to our existing customers.  Is this not what it is all about? Supplier helping his customers.  If yours is not maybe its worth changing suppliers.  Yes we will refer and gladly help out any of our customers whenever we have that opportunity and We Dry is a good customer.  You scratch my back and I scratch yours.  That' what my father taught me.

Kleen Kuip's website receives a lot of traffic from all walks of life including desperate people in need of cleaning advise and help. Along with people standing in flood water looking for immediate relief.  KK is very open to discussing with ANYONE who feels they could benefit from our site.  Maybe we could develop a section that directs fire and flood customers to web participants. 

We are always looking at ways to expand if you haven't noticed, the web is the futuristic way to go.  Don' get left behind. I have never looked at myself as a competitor to anyone as we have the reputation of attempting to help all we serve.  KK's website was never designed to be competitive, but a helping hand to all those who choose to participate.

As Doug would say shut up you are starting to sound religious. It's just my opinion.

We Dry wrote: Whos NIghtrider?

You sir are god damm lucky he is on a mission. He is the man from HELL.  IF YOU SEE THAT BIG OLD RAM COMEN DOWN THE TRACK YOU HAD BETTER HANG YOUR HEAD AND CRY.

Ted:  I have been waiting for years to see the add in the paper.  Water extraction and drying 2 rooms and a hall $39.95.  Hay Steamer can you hear me know???

AS usual Brian is a breath of fresh air.

THE EPITOME OF THE WAY A COMPETITOR SHOULD BE!!

Glad  you are around Brian  .

Lee

Well Said Brian!

Competition is a good thing...

I can't wait to tell my competition story.

KK at one time was Dri-Eaz largest Ontario distributor. We always sold at what was fair pricing to stay in business. Along came other distributors who choose to sell Dri-Eaz equipment at 10 & 15% over cost. Next time you invoice your customer try a mark-up of 15% to see how long you can survive.

Now you know why KK no longer sells new Dri-Eaz equipment. Although we still rent and deal in used, repo and reconditioned flood equipment ( http://www.kleenkuip.com/used_equipment/used_equipment.htm - available to view on this site ).

Now is the time to purchase new flood equipment. It is a buyers market and my competition needs the business and you can see why.
 Crying but not sour.

doug or We Dry or anybody

I read with confusion all these letters and symbols. AMRT, ASD, CR, IICRC Supervisor, CAT etc, etc.

Could someone explain what they all mean? And I will promise to not put them behind my name.

Enquiring minds want to know.
Thanks in advance.

You sir are god damm lucky he is on a mission. He is the man from HELL.  IF YOU SEE THAT BIG OLD RAM COMEN DOWN THE TRACK YOU HAD BETTER HANG YOUR HEAD AND CRY.

I did not know how to answer who is nightrider. But you nailed it dead on with very few words.

Sammy

I like your posts, they are short and sweet and to the point. And like me too tired to argue at night.

Has everyone experienced the Prime Time TV ad that promotes and shows Serve Pro Techs restoring fire and floods.

Wow, do you have any idea what this TV ad must cost to advertise to 100% of the people when only maybe ¼ of 1% will even need this service (if that). If these guys are coming to Canada that should make restorers nervous.

If you have never looked at a large U.S. city yellow pages give one a browse sometime. Page after page of full-page ads for fire and floods. The biggest I have seen in the largest area of Canada is maybe a ¼ page ad. Once in awhile a full page for one year only, then out of circulation.

These U.S. guys market with a steam roller.

As I said before maybe it’s time for the smaller flood people to start an Ontario Association and band together to compete with the Giants.

These flood discussions are making my entrepreneurial mind work overtime.

Talking Out Loud
Since KK has an exceptional grip (that costs a tidy sum) on search engines. Why not create even more potential flood and fire customers to our website. Then direct them to you the contractor. This could be paid for two ways.

The contractor who chooses to purchase supplies from KK would get this service free. And those who choose to purchase elsewhere could pay a monthly fee. But, only allow those in who meet proper standards. Standards designed by the participating group. This would assure your potential customers to be treated fairly, receive quality and this would be an inexpensive way for you to generate NEW business.

I wish I woulda thought of that.

Albert Einstein

KK is always looking at creative ways of helping our customers become successfull. We are open to discussing ways of helping anyone in this line of business.

If not interested in KK someone needs to take the initiative of creating a website to attract potential business to an association. This business is changing faster than many of us can keep up with.