Vortex or Aero Tech
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Topic: Vortex or Aero Tech
Posted By: pilediver
Subject: Vortex or Aero Tech
Date Posted: 05/February/2007 at 9:01pm
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Considering the purchase of one of these units. Which would you buy of the two and why.
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Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 05/February/2007 at 10:36pm
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Bring this question over to Mikeysboard and see what happens. lol
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 05/February/2007 at 11:23pm
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Two reasons why I don't. As you know I am on that board too.
Reason 1: I have already read the posts there and I am going to MikeFest to find out more. Reason 2: From a Canadian perspective I want to hear about Canadian service issues. One being a Nissan UD in Canada is a little off-brand compared to their relative popularity in the US. I know there is a Aero Tech in Saskatchewan and the Wizard has a Vortex in Canada. I honestly don't know which one I want. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 8:18am
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Z28
or Trans-Am |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:03pm
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Get a VORNINJA ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:34pm
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I think the machines are going down different paths. I am confused about this so that's why the research. I haven't made up my mind if I will proceed at all. Looking at a significant investment in rug plant stuff. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:38pm
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I think if you have a good enough market for loose rug cleaning that would be th way to go if you have the facilites? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:42pm
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I am believe so too. I have to go to a rented facility and the overhead takes a huge jump considering everything. Capitial investment for a basic plant is significant almost thinking of tying it in a bow and picking up a strata comercial unit. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:45pm
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Well figure the price of a vortex?? this way you can still do on location cleaning with what you have and specialize in inplant cleaning. let them bring the cash to you. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:50pm
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a vortex aero tech is 100k. A plant is 100k and another 4-5k a month in overhead ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:52pm
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nobody said it was going to be easy? The right decision is always the hardest to make? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 12:57pm
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You know it. My gut tells me to take the plunge and set up a plant but it is a much bigger committement. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 1:00pm
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Why not buy a used aero tech or vortex and rebuild it?
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 1:00pm
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Have you checketd the market out to see where everyone gets their loose rugs cleans now? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 1:09pm
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Yes its Luv a Rug owned by the guy that makes the RugBadger - it is a good sized market. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 1:16pm
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He has an impressive plant! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 1:20pm
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In my opinion not really. They are capable of volume and put out good work. They have good staff. He has a large duster that he uses and his badger too. His Moore rollajet that he purchased worn out and not working is still on a never ending rebuild and is not operational.
There is not as much there as you might think. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 1:53pm
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works on his reputation ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 1:56pm
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lots more I could say but won't ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 3:55pm
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Somethings are better left unsaid? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 4:11pm
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yes. I am always wishy washy about then next step but dammint I'm going to make a next step. MikeFest might help make my mind up. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 4:28pm
Whatever you decide, good luck  ------------- 
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 4:56pm
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Do they make an inplant vortex that will solve both problems ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 5:03pm
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no they don't but then you talk about a plant that is interesting stuff
hwe dehu and ventillation lighting high volume low pressure rinse wash pit drying tower Blocking and tacking surface work tables for fringe work digital camera documentation rolla jet centifuge dewaterer duster ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 5:17pm
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I dont think theres going to be any Aerotechs there at Mikeyfest. But, at least you can check out Mike's Vortex.
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 5:21pm
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I think I read somewher there is going to be an AT there.
You going Ninja? ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 7:31pm
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Nope, Im a BDCC.
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 7:33pm
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aren't you from Kalifornia? Are you Thang on that board? ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 7:42pm
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Yes...BUt keep it to yourself Bob! ------------- I'll make you TAP OUT!!! |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 06/February/2007 at 8:56pm
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Yes sensei. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Rob Lyon
Date Posted: 18/February/2007 at 9:29pm
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The new vortex 7000 HAT is unreal, I know cleaners who have both.
They are both very happy.
All The Best, Rob
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Posted By: danmarck82
Date Posted: 18/February/2007 at 10:24pm
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I've read here an there over the years about the vortex being the top Dog, But what are the compelling reasons that it is rated so highly?
Not a slam at all. just an honest request for someone to enlighten my ignorance. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 18/February/2007 at 10:36pm
Ask that question on Mikeysboard  -------------
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Posted By: Premier
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 1:15am
O.k. I'm new on here been using a prochem for the last 15 years .. Now that I have some cash to spend I want one of the big boys  . Some one said Aero tech made vortex ? is this true ? any way I would love to hear from any one thats has had or has one of these .. With the price tag on both I sure need some help to pic the best one .. Thanks .. John-
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 3:04am
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Premier, one of the best people to talk to who has owned both is Dave Rampage of Executive Carpet and Rug Cleaning in Crestwood. He owned a Vortex which he subsequently sold to Wizard in Oakville Ontario. Dave then went through the process of evaluating both Aero Tech and Vortex and he decided on an Aero Tech.
I believe that the more powerful unit is the Vortex but it is more expensive than the top of the line Aero Tech. There is a shared heritage in both companies and Aero Tech used to make Vortex. There was a legal battle over patents and when it was all sorted out they both ended up making similar units. On very recent development is that Aero Tech has prototyped two Mitsubishi Fuso trucks and both manufacturers currently run Nissan UD 1400. The advantage of the Mitsubishi is that it has a wider frame and an extra gear in the automatic. The Nissan tops out at 70MPH and the Mitsubishi with the extra gear is higher speed. Aero Tech will now supply the Mitsubishi Fuso on request and at the same price as what they were supplying Nissans. Both units are very versatile units that many people will tell you are overkill. That’s like someone telling you that a Chevy Colorado is OK and a Silverado is overkill. There are many emotionally driven remarks about the financial viability of these units for single truck owners. The reality is most all of them are owned by single truck operators. I know of one person who had one and then got rid of it and went back to a standard truckmount and then regretted it and bought another "big truck" When I got past the biases that many people have against these trucks I started to believe that they were a good investment and worth the extra money. MikeFest will have both the new top of the line from both Aero Tech and Vortex in attendance. www.vortexinfo.com http://www.aerotechmfg.com/ ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Premier
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 6:31am
| Hey thank you very much for all the info .. Now I know and understand much more. Can I ask what kind of t/m you use ? and why you picked that one ? .. And great logo as soon as I learn how I'll put mine on here .. Thanks gain .. John- |
Posted By: wheelerman
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 11:44am
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I am using a 6 month old Prochem Apex, great machine puts out great heat and has great airflow for cleaning carpets and uphol. I am getting 3-6 hour drying times with it on a average drying day. I picked the prochem after looking at many TMs mostly because I was looking for something that could handle good amount of hoses for res and light comm work and also one that wouldnt break me in gas. In my opinion unless you are needing to string out hundreds of feet of hose everyday these hugh TMs like the Vortexs are crazy. They cost a ton to buy and ton to operate and in the average house wont do any better job than my $20,000.00 Prochem that uses 1.5 gallons per hour in gas. Yes I am sure it looks impressive that you pull up to a house and the client sees you in a 5 ton HUGH truck, but really all that matters is want the carpets look like when you are done.
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 1:09pm
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I used to share your opinion but have come to disagree.
I believe a big truck is better and you can do a better and more efficient job. The next unit I get will have a big blower for 1 hour dry times lots of water for more effective wanding results and lots of heat because the more the better and you can't effectively do that without compromising something in a regular kind of van even in the extended version. I want room for my tools that I might need on that job that I have on hand. RX20 175 machine Cimex. Using high flow technique the regular sized water and waste tanks aren’t big enough. One unit you might want to look at that some of us find very interesting is the ACE 860 John Deere Diesel slide-in. I still would put that in a cab and chassis box van. I'm not only for higher equipment capabilities I am for more room in my truck. I hate regular sized vans. The cost of running a basic PTO run truckmount and its lease payment is very similar to the cost of running a big truck and its lease payment with gained efficiencies in dollars per hour revenue and reduced fuel consumption. Did I ever say dual wanding once? 
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 3:38pm
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I think you should take something for you head swelling??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 4:07pm
Just wait until he comes back from Mikefest!  ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 6:12pm
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It's not swollen, I haven't made my mind up and I am going to see proof and ask alot of questions down there. You have had the benefit of high heat and I haven't yet. There are some pretty seasoned people going this way and I am going to determine for myself if I want to make the investment. Doug go look at the A.C.E. stuff at http://www.allcleaningequipment.com/ ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Premier
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 6:51pm
| What is mikefest ? |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 7:55pm
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I'm curious PD what made you consider A.C.E truckmounts? I didn't know Ted was a distributer, what does he say? ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 9:20pm
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Ted is 2000 miles from me and ACE has no Western Canadian distributor so they are extending distributor pricing to me.
So if you don't mind dialoging with me and following my logic I would be interested in your opinions. Paul mentioned them to me and I saw them at Connections. These machines appear to be in a different league by the way they are built. Stainless steel shelves, tanks, plant frame, reels, filter box and most all the parts are as heavy duty as they can source or build. The engine is a John Deere diesel which is one of the very best engines of its type available. I know this engine from marine applications and it has a very high regard. The drive coupling system is stronger than anything else in any cleaning system made anywhere. I am researching the reliability of the company from references and asking a few people who might know without attracting biased remarks. Look at it with this perspective. An Aero Tech or a Vortex is at least $105,000 landed and has all the right stuff with a warranty and supposed service support. An ACE in my truck and box is around 80. It has a 59 blower high stainable heat output at high volume with stainless everything with an electric reel. I was quoted 12k mounted for a custom ITB high end aluminum box to my specifications. The truck would be a GMC W3500 diesel auto with air conditioning for 36K. A friend of mine and me would put the thing together. My friend makes his living inventing, fabricating and installing high end electro-mechanical marine scientific research instruments for universities and governments made out of electronics aluminum and stainless. We have access to milling machines, shears, breaks and welders. I recently went through a service experience that gives me a different perspective about what I can expect out of truck mount mechanics. I have noted comments from people like Doug who say that knowing your own unit especially a slide in is critical in reducing down time. What better way to learn about your unit than to install it and maintain it yourself. I will make up for my wrenching abilities somehow with the mechanical and fabrication help of my friend. I am a person who understands how something works but not the best working with tools. From the first moment I saw how a truck mount PTO system worked on a van I thought it was crap. I came for cab and chassis diesel units that ran everything including pressure washers hydraulically. I was very much involved in the rig up process of these units and I am not the least intimidated by doing this project if I go the ACE way. The ACE looks very well built and reliable and it represents a large savings. The plant will burn a gallon an hour and a diesel truck is build to run long inexpensive miles and is a real truck. The turning radius of the W3500 is tighter than an extended van. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 9:25pm
PD is doing his homework  -------------
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 9:32pm
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Premier, Mikefest is a cc meeting in San Jose in early March that has been put together and run by a grass roots group of cc posters at www.mickeysboard.com.
If you want to read opinions of some of the very brightest (and controversial) carpet cleaners in North America that is where you will find it. The board is not sponsored or edited by a publisher who is influenced by what is allowed to be posted. If someone says something is a POS then the remark stands and not deleted because you knocked a board advertiser. There are no board advertisers. The board is self supporting through contributions of the members. If you start spouting BS you will be cut to ribbons instantly. There are lots of points of view and good arguments and lots of fun. If you want to belong you have to fill out your profile completely and you will be checked out to see if it is real. If you don't contribute by asking questions or adding your two bits then after a period of time your user name is simply deleted. It has almost a 1000 members since starting on October 6th. Mikefest has about 70 ccers attending. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 9:42pm
This is the identical box to the Vortex made by the same manufacture with an ACE installed. I would do it a little different. This truck has 180 imperial gallons of waste and 189 gallons of fresh.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:04pm
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PD all is fine and dandy I think you would be making a great decision. Now what I think if you take this over 5 years I estimate you fixed costs for the unit at about $500.00 per week before you turn a wheel give or take a hundred? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:07pm
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I think that would be about right. But look at it the other way what would the cost be per week of a POS. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:09pm
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Nothing if you don't run it -------------
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:10pm
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Looking at the pictures above this is what I would do.
The side door would be a foot shorter. The tank would be against the cab wall of the box and the plant would be where the reel is or even a bit farther back. This is for the weight. They show a portable in there but just imagine that room being used for something else anyway. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:17pm
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All I am trying to say is it would be very difficult to make those payments on say cleaning 3 or 4 300 sq ft' jobs a day? You would need a min of 6 to 8 hundred bucks a day with that unit to make it worth while 5 days a week every week. maybe you already do those nu,bers I don't know. Just don't sink yourself I know it is an easy thing to do when you get all tied up in conversations with all the big dogs?? Each area is different and I wish you well abd hope your area can support this unit? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:22pm
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Absolutely Doug. I am going to look at the whole picture. I need to make a profit. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:52pm
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a knife is a knife...but you don't need a butcher's cleaver to butter bread ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 10:56pm
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Wondered when you would speak up on this. Let me ask you. If someone proved to you on your own terms of what you call proof and you found it worked way better would you buy one? ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 11:07pm
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Personally I think that the machine alone doesn't make the job...it's all the variables.....detergent, dewell time, heat...
a customer's carpet can only come as clean as it can get no matter what machine you have it depends your experience.
For the show...it's nice...I'm sure it might get you more money...but your expenses will be high so you deserve more.
a shiney wand..
clean lead hose...
clean uniform.... and a white smile
is what the customer see's......most times the truck is parked out front out of sight.
The only way I would buy one...if it could do the impossible......and we all know every machine has limits...even more limits if you don't know what your doing ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 25/February/2007 at 11:19pm
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Steamer, no disgreeing with what your saying about the customer end. But I want to research to see if it will be significantly different than what I have now - The Aquatech with a 47 blower. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 1:27am
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Doug and Steamer make some very good, sensible points -------------
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Posted By: Premier
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 1:44am
WOW there are just to many to pick from  .. The more I read here the more I think  for a smaller pto butler looks great and price is good .. ace are nice for slide in but the new blue line and 61hp ?? very soon I have to pick one mine is so old can't get parts for it any more # 400 prochem legend with 18hp last repair bill lots of welding and 18 hours of shop time.. Its going to the great tm bone yard in the sky soon  .. Its been a long time no rust and no repair .. Just use it and enjoy and make money .. NICE !!!
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 11:34am
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Premier I think if you research prices the Ace Diesel will be less expensive than the Blueline. But you need to research the service delivery of both companies.
Butler PTOs are about as mainstream a PTO system as you can buy and have a very good reputation for quality and reliablility of the unit and their service. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 2:37pm
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You'd figure they all do the same job....they are all using the same parts...
For residential all you need is a TM ...a vortex is overkill....if you buying a truckmount for commercial..encap is going to blow you out of the water...
Well at least in the Greater Toronto Area a vortex isn't needed...the wizard doesn't get anymore jobs out here because he has a vortex...
he has a nice wrap on his rig ..I will say thAT ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 6:12pm
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I have a Cimex. A 59 blower is betteer. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 7:22pm
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A Cimex is faster and it hides the dirt -------------
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 7:25pm
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That's why I call it the smunge machine. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 9:11pm
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Or a dirt swirler -------------
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 9:17pm
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We'll have to see what others thing at MF because Gelinas is in the clean off. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 10:25pm
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I'm looking forward to the results from unbiased testing -------------
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Posted By: wheelerman
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 10:50pm
| As many will say, if you have the knowledge and the desire you can make a carpet look great with a toothbrush and some soap. Now we know thats not the case, but just because you have a $80.000.00 Vortex if you have no idea how to use it and you are using cheap ass cleaning products, someone using there $2000.00 portable with really good products will do a better job in the long run than you with your big ass TM. |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 26/February/2007 at 11:34pm
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So are you assuming that someone who is considering a big truck is stupid or doesn't know how to clean? ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 8:21am
Can't see someone buying a Vortex and using cheap products to clean!  ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 9:25am
The vortex guy must live in his vortex because he probally won't have money for anything else....lol
here in the cold you would need a big shop to park a vortex...big truck service to service a vortex and unit....
imagine freezing a vortex......can we all say mortgage payment  ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Hammy wrote:Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 9:36am
Thats got to hurt!  ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 9:46am
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do you know what a truck tire costs????? ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 10:10am
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I give up? ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 11:02am
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Steamer, the Vortex will run less expensive than a 1Ton 6litre Chev. The gallons per hour of the unit is half the cost of running your cleanco. If a person was set on doing good work why would they cheat themselves with poor chemicals?
I can see that somehow I seem to be responsible for defending not only big trucks but my possible decision to buy one. I have not bought one yet. I am going to ride along in a unit before I do. I am going to a convention that regardless of what many people think most of the people going are not in favour of big trucks and they along with me are wanting it proven to us that they are worthwhile. I am of the opinion of what I have seen and read and the owners that I have talked to that a big truck is a good idea. At the least I can put a Cleanco 47 in a box diesel van and that is cheaper to run than a Cleanco in a regular van. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 2:00pm
The Wizard was misleading people that he was supposed to be cleaning area rugs for. Lee knows what was going on there. I think he was charging for immersion cleaning and using his tm on them or something like that -------------
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 3:04pm
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Surprise! surprise! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 3:11pm
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Acutally I went to his shop back when he was magic carpet...before the the split.... he was doing submerged area rug cleaning... I saw that with my own 2 eyes...I don't know about now...
a lot of people clean them with TM's and porty or just bonnet them.... ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 3:16pm
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And alot of people in other countries still wash them in the river! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 3:57pm
Right...but don't tell them one thing and do another -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 27/February/2007 at 10:47pm
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maybe he still does it...his shop has to be big enough...it parks vortex's ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 28/February/2007 at 3:01pm
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Don't forget he still gets his head in there to?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 28/February/2007 at 3:10pm
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 28/February/2007 at 3:37pm
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That's not what I heard -------------
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: 01/March/2007 at 8:06pm
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Yep were trading in our Vortex for a $2000.00 portable. In fact we just cancelled our second Vortex order for a $2500.00 portable.
That darn Vortex of ours doesn't get us any extra work.
I hear the new Vortex's now come with an optional bunk bed in the back, as who ever has one, finds themselves homeless a short time after owning one.
The large fresh water tank on the Vortex doubles as an immersion pit, and Friday nights it's used as a hot tub. Got'a get your monies worth you know !
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 01/March/2007 at 8:52pm
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You have it all figured out -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/March/2007 at 9:02pm
 ...since when the the wizard post here... isn't he a red board millionare????...------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 01/March/2007 at 9:03pm
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Nothing better than a good soak at the end of the day! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/March/2007 at 9:05pm
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The only thing I can sayu...the lizard is in the right place to run a vortex...oakville burlington....Mostly wealthy exec's not knowing value.. ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 01/March/2007 at 9:16pm
I guess you should change your service area then -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 10:02am
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I do go into oakville and Burlington.......but I never advertise their...a litle far for me...it's about a 40 min drive using the 407.
I hate driving for more than 15 to 20 minutes ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 11:41am
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And the 407 costs money -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 12:50pm
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I know the benefits of a diesel van...great for long runs...when I use to service Bradford Keswick Newmarket....I never really burnt much diesel...but with a gas truck it's murder.... Diesel isn't very good in town either...I burn just as much as a long drive...
So I believe a vortex would burn a hell of alot in a small area like oakville burlington waterdown hamilton...
I know that there is only like 100 k in oakville burlington...small area for a big truck ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 2:07pm
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Steamer, there is a big difference between a diesel running in a van and a cab and chassis unit due to engine size and transmission.
Running in a driveway the Isuzu will burn half of what a standard diesel van does. Driving down the road in a cab and chassis van with the low roof will get 25 - 35% better fuel economy than a standard diesel van. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 3:28pm
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if you feel that way...but round town driving not matter what design will burn fuel.... My father had a small fleet of mack trucks doing gravel hauling...in city hauling was always harder on the truck and burnt more fuel that a good long haul ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 6:03pm
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Thanks for the imput Steamer.
Having personally owned 2 Mack trucks I am very aware of what they burn. The load and gearing on a small cab and chassis has no bearing whatsoever on what Macks tandem gravel trucks use hauling full or empty. Also did you know that the turning radius of the cab and chassis is better than your van? Price of a cab and chassis van with a cleanco 47 with electric reels tanks and post heat is only $74,000. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 6:35pm
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so what will 5 calls cost you for the day?????
with my diesel plus slide in around $35 bucks
with gas plus pto $50...
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 7:24pm
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If the object is cheap then why not get a Hyundai Pony with a Ninja in in?
That sounds about right to run this truck except I have tons of room and more vac and lots of resale. Cabovers are cool to drive no noise and no stink and a big billboard. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 9:42pm
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I'm a bit lost??? no seriously...what does it cost run a vortex for 1 call... ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 02/March/2007 at 9:45pm
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1.25 gallons per hour single wanding. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |