New Cleaning Technology
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Topic: New Cleaning Technology
Posted By: carpetologist
Subject: New Cleaning Technology
Date Posted: 10/March/2009 at 5:25pm
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Pad cleaning, Encap, Cimex cleaning is all impressive. But, what happens when your customer is bold enough to ask "Where does the dirt go?" If you can explain the Encap low moisture side of cleaning and give him or her a logical explanation and they swallow it you are a better sales person than I. Most of my potential customers look at me as though I just gave them a line of bullsh*t. The new technology from http://www.kleenkuip.com/portables/nobles_machines.htm - Nobles is called http://www.kleenkuip.com/portables/nobles_readySpace_technology.htm - ReadySpace . This is an alternative cleaning unit to Pad-Bonnet, Cimex, showerfeed brush that offers you all of the above plus extraction. Results being more soil removal and a bucket of dirty water to show your customer. Now you have speed, quality, a one man operation and the answer to the question as to "Where does the dirt actually go?" This unit is a true clean forward or backwards extraction system with a new twist. A - One man cleans 3000 sq. ft. per hour. This is truly a one-man unit. The money you save from paying the hired help will buy two per year for you or leave more profit in your pocket. Now, keep in mind that this unit is being sold as a maintenance machine and it is not for extremely soiled houses yet you can connect a wand and hose to it for more severe soil cleaning. |
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Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 10/March/2009 at 8:49pm
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like to try it anyways
how do you clean them little rollers??
be a good addition for someone with alot of commercial contracts or a janitorial/CC biz ------------- A.K.A. Andy |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 11/March/2009 at 6:34pm
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you could not see any difference behind the machine as she casually strolled along?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 11/March/2009 at 10:24pm
Nobles makes good equiptment.. The money we all could have saved..!!!
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 11/March/2009 at 11:06pm
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Just seems like a fancy Vacuum Cleaner to me.......................
Nightrider
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Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 12/March/2009 at 3:52pm
The rollers are self-cleaning since they flush and vacuum themselves. Just run the unit for a few seconds on a clean floor or carpet.
Or, they take three seconds to remove and replace so you can soak them if you feel it necessary.
------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Steaminpile wrote:Posted By: goomer
Date Posted: 12/March/2009 at 8:44pm
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It looks like it is geared for janitorial or institutional work by an in-house staff, for periodic maintenance. I can't see anyone actually paying you to walk around their house with it. It's a one dimensional machine....I'll pass. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 12/March/2009 at 11:58pm
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Exactly ------------- 
The STD Meter |
Posted By: Ken_Is_OK
Date Posted: 15/March/2009 at 2:08am
IT WILL put all you pro's out of bizness 
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 15/March/2009 at 2:49pm
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Thats funny Ken..
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/March/2009 at 4:11pm
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What if we're not pro's??? -------------
The STD Meter |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/March/2009 at 1:16am
Then you will just have to go outta business faster wont you.  ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 06/April/2009 at 2:49pm
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I sure hope they have improved it, because the demo I saw at Connections a while back did not impress me. Jeff Bishop was pushing it at that time. A Cimex in a side by side cleaning did a 100 times better job. The principle is great the results at that time where not the good. Ted let me know if they have improved the cleanability of the this process ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 06/April/2009 at 9:49pm
| Cimex is great if its well vacuumed |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 08/April/2009 at 4:11pm
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Decisions, Decisions...
Are you in the cleaning business?...the appearance business?...or the profit business?
Which system do you feel your customer would choose if given a choice?
 Should I say more?
Maybe we should call this conscience cleaning.
P.S.
Keep in mind that most cleaners who OP clean charge well in excess of HWE cleaners. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: Ken_Is_OK
Date Posted: 08/April/2009 at 10:33pm
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OP is extraction Cimex is not. with cimex the extracting is done with a vacuum. apples to apples or apples to oranges.
The critical part of Cimex cleaning is the dry vacuuming. If you want to scrub and run then yes orbot is way better.
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Posted By: Barkri12
Date Posted: 18/May/2009 at 3:21am
| Within the last 15 years competition from low priced competitors and changes in technology have reduced the companies market share. Hoover vacuums have recently become more competitive with application of new bag less technology in its upright series and diversifying into other floor cleaning products. |
Posted By: CCandmore
Date Posted: 18/May/2009 at 7:25pm
| I've got a question for you Cimex guys. I recently bought a 19" Cimex for commercial work where applicable and I really like the speed and results. However, if I come back after it's dry and vacuum I get very little in the vac bag (and yes, I am using a good commercial vacuum). Is this typical? |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 27/May/2009 at 5:42pm
I have done the exact same test as you with the exact same results. I guess we now both have our answer to how much soil this system really removes regardless of how clean it makes it look. People still want to see the dirt. Scroll up and you will see the unit you should have purchased to satisfy your customer and your own conscience. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 27/May/2009 at 5:43pm
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I guess they need the breathalizer to look more like an instrument and less like a bottle.
------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: Ken_Is_OK
Date Posted: 28/May/2009 at 6:39pm
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Hello you dry vac before and after. How much would you really expect in the after vac if you did a proper dry vac before?
C'mon you guys know what % is dry.
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Posted By: Steam Man
Date Posted: 06/August/2009 at 5:22am
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Trouble is if it looks clean, the customerr's happy. If it is cleaner but doesn't look it they're not. Does that make sense? 
------------- http://www.carpetcleaningwestonsupermare.co.uk - Carpet Cleaning Weston super Mare http://www.carpetcleaning-somerset.co.uk - Carpet Cleaning Somerset |
Posted By: Steam Man
Date Posted: 15/August/2009 at 12:49pm
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Unless there's a lot of debris on top of the carpet I don't bother now I have a TM. But when I used the Speedster I would prevac every time.
------------- http://www.carpetcleaningwestonsupermare.co.uk - Carpet Cleaning Weston super Mare http://www.carpetcleaning-somerset.co.uk - Carpet Cleaning Somerset |
Posted By: Steam Man
Date Posted: 05/September/2009 at 3:59am
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The argument that if you pre vac then you can't expect much in the bag post clean is a bit of nonsense to be honest. What it was referring to was the removal of encaspulated dirt. If there ain't much in the bag it's still in the carpet. ------------- http://www.carpetcleaningwestonsupermare.co.uk - Carpet Cleaning Weston super Mare http://www.carpetcleaning-somerset.co.uk - Carpet Cleaning Somerset |
Posted By: Soil Lint Green
Date Posted: 26/September/2009 at 12:48pm
That was her last pass, you should have seen it when she started  ------------- It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk. |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 26/October/2009 at 12:32pm
I agree that machine is more appropriate for a janitorial company. Now if you could ride it like a Zamboni. Maybe I would buy one.
------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 26/October/2009 at 2:51pm
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The problem with giving the janitorial co. any carpet cleaning device is simple, if vacuuming is involved "GoodLuck" We do millions of sq ft of commercial carpet maintenance and not one of our buildings is ever vacuumed properly.. EVER Ever!!!!!!! ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: CarpetproKC
Date Posted: 26/October/2009 at 10:06pm
Just sit in on it and have your assistant OR the customer push you around on it.
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Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 28/October/2009 at 12:34am
weeeeee!!! 
------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 15/November/2009 at 2:39pm
If you prevac then encap, do you really think the bag will get noticeably fuller on a post vac? What's the volume of encapped soil waiting to be removed by a vacuum, typically? Does anyone really know?
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Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 15/November/2009 at 8:11pm
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I would ask PadMan. He's the expert on post vac with encap IMHO
------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: jaymark1
Date Posted: 14/January/2010 at 1:16pm
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dress that thing up like R2 D2 and ill buy one. ------------- I dont predict the future or sell glides, am I allowed on this site? |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 22/July/2010 at 10:17pm
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you can offer all you want. But produceing it is another story? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 23/July/2010 at 12:57am
Oh yeah!!!! -------------
The STD Meter |
Posted By: RyanCleansWA
Date Posted: 23/July/2010 at 8:59am
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Really want to get into commercial cleaning and that machine looks like a oversized rug doctor. Sounds like Cimex is the way to go?
------------- Rotopro http://rotoprocarpetcare.com - Redmond Washington Carpet Cleaning provides carpet, upholstery and tile cleaning services. We service Redmond and the surrounding areas. |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 27/July/2010 at 7:37pm
------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: jeffrog
Date Posted: 30/July/2010 at 4:03pm
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I just bought a carpet cleaning machine.I need to know how to use it.I
need to know how to clean my living room carpet.How may times do I go
over a section with carpet cleaner and how many times do I rinse.Do I
keep going over one section of carpet until the water is as clean as the
clean as the clean water.How do I know when my carpet is clean. |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 06/August/2010 at 9:59am
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The seller of the equipment should have showed you all that. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: Soil Lint Green
Date Posted: 06/August/2010 at 10:05pm
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I don't get it. Why did you buy a machine jeffrog? What machine did you buy? If you bought it to get into business and then came on here asking how to use it I would say you are an idiot. If you are a consumer buying a bissell or something call their support line.
------------- It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk. |
Posted By: Grutzy
Date Posted: 19/August/2010 at 7:54am
| The problem with claiming quick drying times is twofold; 1. many carpet cleaners lie about the drying time so although you may be telling the truth about fast drying times, your competition could be flooding the carpet and still telling them it will dry in 2 hours or 30 minutes etc. 2. most quick drying methods don't clean very well and the consumers know it. Once you say that your method dries quickly, they assume it is a "maintenance method". If doing hot water extraction with a quick drying method, you really have to explain why it will dry quickly so the consumer understands that they are getting a good cleaning in addition to the convenience of rapid drying. Once you do this, it definitely influences the consumer to choose your services over the Stumbling Steemers of the industry. |
Posted By: albertperry
Date Posted: 02/November/2010 at 11:14pm
| Nice. This is a cool alternative cleaning unit to Pad-Bonnet, Cimex, & showerfeed brush. |
Posted By: surveyasbestos
Date Posted: 23/January/2011 at 12:46pm
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cleaning supplies should be environment friendly too, choose cleaning supplies that do not harm the environment. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 23/January/2011 at 2:16pm
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Posted By: howellsgs
Date Posted: 17/February/2011 at 2:05am
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WOW... think I'll just stick with the 'physics class' approach explaining what encapsulation actually is. One is hired to do a job. Perform poorly and lose the contract, however that machine probably would create quite an impression. ------------- http://www.howellsCarpetCleaning.com - Howells' Carpet Cleaning (503) 939-0534 Feel free to call with any questions you may have. I would be honored to help. Geoffrey |
Posted By: howellsgs
Date Posted: 17/February/2011 at 2:12am
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Excessive build-up of foreign soils and small objects may hinder the effectiveness of pre-sprays and traffic lane cleaners. ------------- http://www.howellsCarpetCleaning.com - Howells' Carpet Cleaning (503) 939-0534 Feel free to call with any questions you may have. I would be honored to help. Geoffrey |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 17/February/2011 at 10:16am
A good prespray with surfactants and HOTwater (another excellent surfactant)
When its below freezing i always ask the cust to prevac before we arrive.
Otherwise prevac is always done first....
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Posted By: howellsgs
Date Posted: 10/March/2011 at 7:10pm
Agitation is just common sense... so is a good prevac. Just because you can get away doing a partial sloppy job doesn.t mean you should. Then again some guys don't have any pride in the work they do. ------------- http://www.howellsCarpetCleaning.com - Howells' Carpet Cleaning (503) 939-0534 Feel free to call with any questions you may have. I would be honored to help. Geoffrey |
Posted By: CDRX
Date Posted: 16/March/2011 at 5:54pm
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The "where does the dirt go?" question is something I am glad I don't have to deal with using truck-mounted hot-water extraction, but then I don't do commercial carpet either. I'd probably use encap and have to find a good way to explain how it works.
------------- http://www.completecarpetcare.com - carpet cleaning bellevue http://www.completecarpetcare.com/organic_steam_cleaning.html - carpet cleaning redmond |
Posted By: gavin
Date Posted: 20/March/2011 at 2:34am
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I don't think that machine would really work that great. I could see using it in a janitorial type situation, but I would opt for just a pull behind extractor. where does the dirt go? where does a stain go when you remove with with a spotter and terrycloth? into the rag / pad. man they get dirty. http://www.carpetcleaningbellingham.com/ - Carpet Cleaning Bellingham  http://www.yelp.com/biz/carpet-care-cleaners-bellingham"> http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=7824001638977362845"> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/gavin-green/9/384/71"> |
Posted By: jannypan
Date Posted: 18/April/2011 at 9:43pm
| Nobles makes good equiptment.. The money we all could have saved..! |
Posted By: amera
Date Posted: 23/April/2011 at 1:07pm
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Cimex is still better because it leaves some encap chemicals behind when the carpet get vacuumed the carpet stays cleaners much longer. I have been cleaning 2 floors office building for two years the carpet is very clean all the time much better than I started . |
Posted By: grhkcs
Date Posted: 12/October/2011 at 5:13am
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You made some good points there. I did a search on the topic and found most people will agree with your blog.
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Posted By: kevinbrown10
Date Posted: 13/October/2011 at 3:53am
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Quite nice and informative post as i got a chance to get through some new cleaning techniques through this thread. Thanks a lot guys keep sharing the latest updates in cleaning era. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 14/October/2011 at 12:22am
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Posted By: Rosesis
Date Posted: 17/October/2011 at 3:17am
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hmm.. technology works everywhere,,nyway this one is doing amazing job!! http://www.fibercarecarpet.com - |
Posted By: akpowerclean
Date Posted: 03/June/2012 at 5:37pm
| Use Cimex and encapsulation for cleaning 21 story hotel in Anchorage. We use our van mounts for the first two floors. When you get up to the higher floors the carpets are not that dirty. In my opinion they are not as good a van mount or even a good portable unit. However they are great for lightly soiled areas and we can give a lower bid because they are much faster than using a portable. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 04/June/2012 at 12:03pm
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should charge more of cimex at least double...25 cents a sq ft...to 40 cents it works excellent on heavily soiled carpet... but you have to use the good stuff release-it... easier sometimes... but you have to charge for the fact that it dries very very very fast which is very good for places that are going to have heavy traffic right after you finish cleaning... that's a bonus so it costs more... plus release-it has a soil resistant formula unlike steam... so again more if it's real trashed out then cimex plus steam even more money cimex just costs more ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: akpowerclean
Date Posted: 04/June/2012 at 1:55pm
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Hello again Mr. Steamer, I like it. Good post. You make some good points. A couple of thoughts; In our company we only use the Cimex and Release it for commercial jobs where we are doing a quick interim cleaning or for jobs where we cannot get our hoses to in order to "steam clean". The only time we were faced with heavily soiled carpets up out of reach of our hoses was with restaurants up on the top floors. We did clean with the cimex and then with a good portable unit and we did charge about .10 more for those areas. On these big hotel jobs we were facing some pretty stiff competition so price was important if we wanted to get the job. In our experience cleaning with the cimex was less expensive for us than cleaning with either the van mount up past the third floor. Too much time moving the hoses etc... or with the portables. Too much time filling and emptying machines. My biggest expense was technicians so saving time saved money. I found we could bid around .22 psf. with the cimex and beat other competitor prices and I still made good money doing these jobs. AKpowerclean www.akpowerclean.com |
Posted By: LanceLogan
Date Posted: 14/July/2013 at 8:04pm
| Cimex is great for retirement centers and for touching up apartment building lobbies or any other problem area that won't get clean enough with the truck. |
Posted By: Rugcleaning123
Date Posted: 28/July/2014 at 3:16pm
| Thanks for sharing such an informative video, actually I think that some evolving technologies in this field benefits dealing with wide variety of carpets.Best rug cleaning services in Sydney offers good solutions for this. |
Posted By: Lars
Date Posted: 11/November/2014 at 6:27pm
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Sounds like a great concept, I would like to see it in action. |
Posted By: cleaningheroes
Date Posted: 11/November/2014 at 11:09pm
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That's interesting. Technology is always evolving that's for sure. Kind of fun to see in a dinosaur industry
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Posted By: annfully
Date Posted: 20/February/2016 at 6:58pm
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Trouble is if it looks clean, the customerr's happy. If it is cleaner but doesn't look it they're not.
Does that make sense? |
Posted By: Jonatham
Date Posted: 03/April/2016 at 7:05am
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Posted By: Johnny Walker
Date Posted: 16/May/2016 at 8:49am
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I have a carpet cleaner that swears by lite chem. shampooing. He has been in the industry for 25 years and he also does carpet tinting. How do you think this messures up to the new technology. Plus he says that since the unit is portable, he doesnt have to run a hose through a building like the other guys. Here is his site. www.carpetcleanerbirminghamal.com |
Posted By: carol palmer
Date Posted: 28/June/2016 at 10:46pm
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Thanks for the post check this you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-KsjeplsUQ
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Posted By: Lavon
Date Posted: 05/June/2017 at 7:38pm
| That is a great question where does the dirt go I've been using hot water extraction steam cleaning method for over 10 years and I would like to know where does the dirt go? |