A very sore topic has been brought up....IICRC

I think its just a money scam....and they could do thing alot better and cheaper...once they do the course(which you pay for) and you do the test(which you pay for againg) why do you need to pay dues every year???

All you good carpet cleaners can't agree with this??I know that I don't...

someone said in another post ...that this has been around for 20 years....

20 years of just ripping people off with these damn dues...

Yes it teaches you the chemistry behind the scenes....but after you learn that and you pass the test...only other thing you'll get from them is a bill for your dues

Steamin Mr. Steamer Carpet Cleaner

ooooooo no one will touch this topic.....might get your membership card pulled

It has given me a place to work with others to work towards a common good.

I am on the IICRC HST subcommittee and am working on the creation of a Canadian equivalent. I love it.

I also have set up some IICRC classes and CEC classes and get to meet other instructors and a lot of other cleaners who are craving education.

It gives me a vehicule to explore new routes within the industry.

It has to pay the bills somehow, so I pay a minute fraction of the sales towards keeping it alive.

I don't know why you would call the IICRC's serivce a scam.  If being IICRC certified adds a little credibility to your business, and you are willing to pay for that, then go for it.  During the past three years, no commercial or residential customer hase ever asked if I was IICRC certified, so I am not going to bother.  I do not feel that what the IICRC offers is a scam.  If the IICRC is a scam, then we had better address the AICPA (accountants), and whatever state bar organization certifies lawyers.  These are private organizations.  I paid $265 just to take the GMAT.  It is a computer based exam.  Why does it cost $265?  Because the organization that administers the exam has a monopoly.  That is why.  Who competes with the IICRC?  Why do you want certification?

Wake up people...what have you all been brain washed...being certified or not doesn't make you a good cleaner....you can take the classses and not take the test....The classes are good, but the only really give you the theory, not enough hands on ....

I'll pay for a class if I want to learn more....but I feel the dues are bogus

Does it make me any less a cleaner if I don't have the certification card??

NOPE!!!!!!!!

But in the eyes of some it does...My helper turned cleaner been working with me for 3 years...he knows everything I know....he asked me if he should go get certified...I said no waste of money....

I really don't know what kind of carpet and furniture you guys are cleaning, but the average carpet is nylon...I would say 9 out of 10.....

I do at least 6 houses a day 313 days a week....

Experience is the key...I think this year I wont renew with IICRC

BTW no customer had EVER asked me if I am a carrying IICRC member NEVER EVER!

I sayin what are you getting for your dues????

what are you dues doing for you?????

Hold on there one dog darn minute, Mr. Steamer. I can't believe you are actually asking that question on this forum. How dare you. What has the IICRC done for me, you ask, well son, I'll tell you, Wait.......ya ya.....hold on there......o.k  o.k ........hold on I'm thinking.....ummmmmmm..........ummmmmmmm............I'll get back to you on that, I got it they helped me to.......nah that's not it......I got that info from Home Depot.........well I'll get back to you on this one.

      Jack      N-I-G-H-T-R-I-D-E-R

You guys are full of it.

And by seeing your responses to some of the questions and posts here, some desperately need more education.

PadmanI know you, Nightrider is obviously in desperate need to make himself feel important and Mr Steamer, is stuck in the Toronto rut.

Mr. Steamer is right, for the marketplace he is in. Montreal isn't the same and neither is Kentucky.

I will forever defend the IICRC. However, all of us who do a ton of volunteer work still have a saying about the top decision makers, "just follow the money"

Its just like the government.

LeeS is the IICRC man....pay the dues no one agrees with you...wake up your just carpet cleaner......thats all the customers see you as

JUST A CARPET CLEANER....no one cares about IICRC...IICRC doesn't care about anyone....it will die

and all those who are on the take will be no more.......I come from a family of carpet cleaners no one pay their dues anymore......

Listen it's just carpet and we are just carpet cleaners.....

Hey there, General Lee. What the heck does Montreal have to do with Kentucky. Another fact is that I'm in no desperate need to make myself feel important 'cause I am important so are you, we all are.It's our opinions, thoughts, and intellegence that become a threat to others. What are you afraid of General Lee, what dark secrets lurk in the shadows of your mind........are you afraid of me, you say you will always defend IICRC, Tell me are you prepared to give 50% of your annual salary to them......how about 40%.....30%......20%.......10% would you be willing to give up 2 Saturdays a month to do volunteer work for them.......if you answered YES to any of the above........I have a bridge here in Montreal  that I would love to sell. I wouldn't even defend Canada if we ever had a war.......why.........'cause they take 52% of my freaking paycheck every week then force me to pay another 7% gst and another 8% provincial tax on all my purchases in order to live......what do I get for my hard labour and 18 hour days........... 33 cents on the dollar, and I don't want a Canadian Newsletter, neither do I want a IICRC Newsletter. If the IICRC need money let them ask the X-Finance minister and now Prime Minister Paul Martin.....he likes to give away a hundred million dollars of my money.

And to you Greg, you're a carpet cleaner, a carpet cleaner Greg, yes I know it's degrading, but carpet cleaner it is.......and to all the garbage men out there.......you are not a sanitary engineer.Sorry Guys Greg you can call yourself an indoor quality air consultant if you like, and run around with an aerosol can of air freshener. Who Cares......Go to the bank and ask for a loan, after you tell him that you are an IICRC certified cleaning technician.....and he says.......well, what exactly do you do....ha ha ha ha ha .........YOU HAVE TO SAY.....HA HA HA HA HA ............ I'M A CARPET CLEANER.....SIR (CAN I HAVE THE LOAN....PLEASE )

I give a lot more than two Saturdays a month there sir.

I am in the middle of researching and writing the Canadian version of the IICRC HST course.

It is a prerequisite for Master Restorers status.

It is probably the most beneficial class of all of them and the least attended.

It is a good feeling.

I would also defend my country in a heartbeat.

You think you are so bright, if you are why do you pay so much tax?

I make enough money that I got a financial advisor to handle my money and learn the loopholes over paying 45%.

I'm not afraid of you at all. I come from Montreal, live with a Quebecoise woman, and find you embarrassing.

I am not a carpet cleaner, I am an IICRC Practicing Carpet Inspector and friggin proud of it.

All my techs must be IICRC certified in CCT  and if they do water damage a min. of WRT. If they don't have that basic education they don't work here.

You sound like the type of guy who cleans olefin the same way as nylon or a simple rug sucker. The know it all type of guy who I'd never hire.

You tell em LeeS.

Right on Lee. This forum is getting more interesting every day. Stay cool guys. I am still wondering were Doug is. If Doug went to Colorado Springs for the Acar convention hopefully he will be back and armed with more up to date information to share with those who care and even those who don't.

Thanks Lee

JACK..... I'm not just a carpet cleaner. Yes I clean carpet and upholstery and drapery, but I also do  carpet dying, air ducts, hardwood floors, if its on the floor we can clean it or restore it.

LEE & Greg I know your not just another carpet cleaner...but to the customer you are!

Being certified means Jack S h i t ....

Plus this isn't rocket science it's only carpet...you are not a heart specialist...you didn't do years and years at the best med school...

You spent a weekend or a few weekends getting some stupid IICRC training..

That little card you carry means CRAP....

I could train a guy in 1 hour to do what your so proud of....

I love what I do to...but listen it's nothing to talk about....

you touch piss, s h i t, pet hair, germs and all sorts of nastiness...

Afew simple rules...1) mild soap 2)prespray 3)never over wet 4)do behind all the doors 5) move as much a you can and pad 6)hit that free enterance mat on the way out

If you have never cleaned carpets before there you go...you've just been certified by Mr.Steamer Certified Carpet Cleaner

Now grab your bissell and go clean carpets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Steamer School for the Carpet Cleaner

wow, General Lee....relax, take a valium or librium or just go lie down for a minute or so, take a deep breath and say Bonjour Mme Lee, votre marie est tres aggressive aujourdhui. Are you feeling better General Lee, Got all that stuff off your shoulders. G__O__O__D. Now listen you freakin clown, YOU ARE A CARPET CLEANER No Sorry  A practicing carpet cleaner.

More than 2 Satursays..........Jacques Cartier Bridge can be yours for 5,000 $ with 5 tool booths  10,000$ special price cause I like you and your wife's from Quebec.

Researching & writting Canadian version IICRC....just copy it what research is there to do, Mr. Steamer wants to write a book to, you should get together.

Beneficial and least attended = NOT WORTH CRAP

IICRC gives you good feelings = who needs a wife when you can have IICRC by your side to keep you warm and cuddle with.

Defend Canada..WHY....so that they can offer you a course to take and give you 50.00$ a day to eat and after the course is finished they tell you that it only cost 17.50 a day to eat 3 meals in a restaurant, while they go piss away 450.00$ for an afternoon lunch with a friend. GOOD defend Canada I pay my taxes standing up like a man, f**k the loopholes they'll close them and then tell you one day that you owe then 500.000$ I'm too busy defending myself from them bloodsucking perverts, and backstabbing theives, Corruption is the new man in town and the Sheriff is Paul Martin.

IICRC Practicing carpet Inspector= You got me on that one

What's olefin.......what's nylon......what's a Rug Sucker........No really what's a rug Sucker.....perhaps you shouldn't hire me.....I don't know a rug sucker from a toothpick.......do they multiply ....if they do then they would be rug suckers.

HAVE A NICE DAY GENERAL LEE....JACK   NIGHTRIDER

a rug sucker..a cock sucker whats the difference.......an IICRC SUCKER....pay them dues ...pay them dues....we are helping the carpet cleaning world

IICRC has advanced the cleaning world 20 years...bahahaha....Lee makes it seem that they are feeding hungry children in Africa...lololol

IICRC does sooooooooo much good....the Grand Master won the peace prize

Do the customer care??? can I get a "HELL NO!!!!!"

they just want their carpets cleaned plain and simple

Mr. Steam the Sensible Carpet Cleaner

Meanwhile, the Padman is going about his business cleanup the worlds dirty mess. Go to the post topic of OP CLEANING and take a look at PadMans work..........very impressive for a rotary machine and pad........You know what I'm going to do today........go to Home Depot and purchase a car polisher, they all come with a bonnet and try to clean one of my clients chair in his restaurant. See if that works, if it does, GREAT NEW AD ON FOR EXTRA CASH.  How's that for some free advise and knowledge Mr. Steamer.........race you to Home Depot

          Jack        NIGHTRIDER   where every carpet cleaner is another carpet cleaners nightmare

One of the reasons why I like to keep my registration fees and dues paid up (re-IICRC) etc. is for the extreme educational value that courses, meetings and conventions offer me not to mention rubbing shoulders with people smarter than I am.

If you think education is expensive try ignorance.

Carpetologist ...no one said ignorance...I always preach training and experience...If you gave a Kleen kuip Certification I would take it....

But I just can't help feeling disgust once a year when I have to send my dues to IICRC for nothing...this is the last year anyways....

Carpetologist do your classes ...give the training I'm all for that...but really make your students learn 200-600 bucks for a two day course I think thats unreasonable...where the instructor is just spoon feeding you the right information to high light and remember...naw naw I don't buy that...there is really no hands on...naw naw...

A guy like me is bad for the business..I feel that the carpet cleaner gets it from all sides.....

* you get it from your peers(you need to be certified)(cut throat pricing)

* you get it from the suppliers(once it has anything to do with carpet cleaning it cost a fortune)

* you get from the service repair men

* you get it from the customer

There alot of money to be mad and even more to be spent...and if you don't watch your bottom line you'll go broke......so one has to take steps to cut cost...

Don't be affraid to think out the box

Carpetologist wrote: One of the reasons why I like to keep my registration fees and dues paid up (re-IICRC) etc. is for the extreme educational value that courses, meetings and conventions offer me not to mention rubbing shoulders with people smarter than I am. If you think education is expensive try ignorance.

Your the bigger man on the canadian block...the little man doesn't hear about this kind of stuff...plus once you've taken the course and passed why pay the dues, for a new letter that most of us never get...If I want to know more about IICRC I'll check the website...thank you very much....

Once you see IICRC is a business...YES A BUSINESS....and they are really not here to better the carpet cleaning world....yes that might happen along the way...but IICRC's purpose is to make money

I'll probally get kicked for that ...but it's the truth...and the truth shall set you free

I have so much to say......my tongue is on fire ...... But I'll wait for Ed York to come abord.

      silence is golden................for now

  Jack         &n bsp; NIGHTRIDER  SCREW ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU....SCREW ME TWICE.....SHAME ON ME

we have lost sight of my question...What do they do for my dues?????can anyone answer that.............????

I want to know what happens to my dues.....I don't get anything for them.

again what do I get for my DUES?

Do you know what never mind.....It doesn't really matter.....I've forgotten what wool smells like burning....my mold tester doesn't work any more...and I broke my UV light....and why do they wash those area rugs in cold water????It doesn't matter anymore....

I clean carpets thats what I do I'm a CARPET CLEANER!!!!!!I really don't know where I got my training from...all I know is I'm damn good..

Mr. Steamer a damn good Carpet Cleaner

Mr. Lee,

You are taxed at 45% in Canada?  That makes me feel better.  I thought Virginia was bad.  Do you have an alternative minimum tax up there? 

Barry

Boy oh boy, Mr Nightrider.

I bet you think I'm some sort of nerd with aplastic pen holder eh?

I grew up in the West End of Montreal. We are unique people and proud of it.Ask the people at Kleen Kuip what kind of person I am, you might be surprised.

In this business I have fried my liver further. Developed mould allergies. Have severe sinus problems (likely from overuse of enzymes), had chemical pneumonia.

You think that there is no work in writing an exam?? You are nuts.

You think this health and safety course is useless? You've got to be kidding.

Are you WHMIS trained? Are your employees? If not you are breaking the law.

The law is there to protect people. Wake up and smell the coffee buddy.

I do this work, because of a love for the industry. I spend a fortune on documents and long distance ,  and don't get reimbursed. If you want to slam me  for that go ahead. I don't expect kudos. I just don't know how else to tell people like you that there are a lot of people out there giving selflessly for the common good. THERE IS CERTAINLY NO MONEY IN IT FOR ME.

So go ahead, take your shots, at least you can release your pent up aggravations. FEEL BETTER. Yes I do.

All I have to say to that is PUUUUUULLLLease.......no money in it for you???man....I got to stop my blood pressure is rising.....so you didn't make any money from the courses you run????

please ban me from this sight....I need to be banned

I can't believe there are such good people in this world...ones that are going to dedicate their time for the carpet cleaning world....

wow NON PROFIT CARPET CLEANING EDUCATORS

and look i've been charging all these customers and they've been paying me...

I'M A SINNER CARPET GODS FORGIVE ME I thought I cleaned carpets for profit

General Lee, before i say what I want to say....can you please let Mr. Steamer where all his dues went to.....he donated.....got nothing in return.....Steamer did they send you a Christmas card at least. please tell me.

Now to you General.    No I am not WHMIS Trained you know why because I don't have to go into a sewer to know it stinks.....but thanks for asking.

    Jack      NIGHTRIDER        where no ridiculus question goes unanswered

I assume your dues go to keep things in operation over at the IICRC.

dues aren't all that big of a deal.

I'm just not sure why the courses cost so much.

I worked my first year in this industry with 0 certification and did fine.

after becoming certified I did feel I understood more about the chemistry of things, and could better explain to the customers why the carpet turned brown after the last guy cleaned it etc. but I didn't really clean any better.

I do have some commercial work where they insist on me being certified.

Education is good in any field IMO,I hope to see the IICRC around for a long time.

Don't go sour on my buddy the General Lee. I know of no one in our industry who does more volenteer time at no pay and many times no Thanks to better our industry. Hats off and long live the General. Keep Up The Good Work Lee!

When Ted talks............everybody listens

Listen what the man says

General.....you must be the carpet cleaners industry angel

I heard if a man can see far enough he will be looking at the back of his own head

Look around General, there's more to see, the world is a beautiful place, God created the green grass, marvel at that.

   JACK      NIGHTRIDER    what is a man who devotes his spare time to a cause that mankind benefits nothing from. Blessed are those who surrender themselves to their family and children.

Wow I had to check to see if I was Certified. But Yes Yes I am.  I think it's nice to be able to show off your certification to the customer.  Make them aware.

You guys need to stop fighting against IICRC and join them.  They are raising the level of carpet cleaning in US and Canada,  for all us real carpet cleaners.  The more people become aware the better it will be for all certified Tech's.

We need to improve this industry and IICRC is the start.  It will come a day when all customers will only call IICRC certified companies.  But it's up to us as representatives of IICRC to let the customers know.

So some of you who don't want to pay the dues will be left in the cold when the door finally shuts. 

HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

THIS GUY IS A JIKE AND A HALF......STANLEY WHERE DID YOU CRAWL OUT OF, .............LIKE SHOWING OFF A CARPET CLEANERS CERTIFICATION MEMBERSHIP CARD......SHOW HER THE ONE FROM BLOCKBUSTER TOO, AND DON'T FORGET THE CAA CARD, THAT'S A GOOD ONE TOO........NICE COLOURS.

I HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE, I'M GETTING DIZZY.

        nightrider......WHERE A CLOWN IS FUNNY UNTIL HE TAKES OFF HIS NOSE

I have so many cards...who wants one....every year you get a new one...

You wanna be certified...I can sell you one...39.95...much less than what it cost to take the course

I have yet to be certified, now that is NOT to say I haven't taken any classes, I have, but to pay for certification and then to continue to pay for a certificate is kind of like saying, forgot what he learned so if you pay yearly, then you remember better..

I am all for the IICRC for those who reap from it, and respect the many that put a lot of time and effort into it, but it is NOT for everyone.

Now, my daughter, Briana 22 runs my cleaning truck by herself and I will get her certified, it is a different era and it might be of importance to her.

Fire away!

I saw a picure of your daughter........she is a very pretty girl.........she's certified.....trust me....when she comes a knocking.......the door will be opened to her......save your money......buy her a nice dress and take your family out for a good meal.

          NIGHTRIDER

nightrider wrote: What province to you live in that to do commercail you must be certified

B.C.

I do the cleaning for B.C. buildings corp.

Also had to become a certified Ultrachem user.

Padman we are constantly telling our children that you can't get any were today without education. Why stop at this industry. Tell her to take some IICRC courses and let her form her own option about what see thinks see got from them. The education she learns will open doors for her. The young women today are very smart, and I'm sure you are proud of her.   Other than education, work ethic is also the most important aspect to one's career.

If Briana has both, she will succeed on her own and it will be then that she can take the dress she wrapped around Jock's neck off and take her family out to dinner knowing that she and only she provided this for them.

Shes works with Padman....he's already told her the do's and don't....

Adwa so the IICRC sents out your checks weekly or by-weekly???

Adwa, my daughter HAS taken some classes, the problem is this, the instructors are so HWE biased that she learned little from the class. IN the video the instructor showed there was a short segment on our machine, The instructor just pointed to the screen and said, "well we don't have time for that one" and went on, BIG MISTAKE, after 45 minutes my daughter was done with him..LOL

So limited info is given and helpful for our method, you know, this sounds funny but HWE guys HAVE to be smarter, we don't have the need for near the chems or education you do just to do an equal or better job. This is not a slam, it is just the physics of the method and machine movement. So much of what HWE's learn is how to get their chems to clean, whereas with OP, the agitation makes most ANY CHEMICAL do a great job.

Adwa you won't get it taking some dumb course.....grab a OP machine...Grab a wand...get out there and work...it's the only way your truly going to get educated..

IICRC courses give you the  back ground information...the, why this happens, and the why that happens, it shows you the chemistry behind the cleaning....this is info you could easy find for yourself  right here on the net...right here in this forum....if your going to clean an olefin carpet...just punch it in to your search screen...the factorys always give you the do's and don't right here on the web...

IICRC is nothing special...information is everywhere if you want to look for it...you made it here didn't you

Education and carpet cleaning...........Education and window washing................Education and car washing..........Education and garbage-man.......Education and floor sweeper......I can go on and on........Funny thing is, all the above mentioned jobs , we were told that we can all do if we had NO EDUCATION......What a bunch of MORONS

             Jack         NIGHTRIDER  No comment, I'm too pissed

MAGIC-STEAM wrote: dAMM......YOU WRITE ALOT TO SAY NOTHING.....IS THAT IT.......DIDN'T LEARN A DAMM THING

Maybe for you a picture may have worked better.  You must learn to crawl before you walk.

Good one Magic-Steam...got any more???...I charge at least 250 for one of my blow jobs...whip it out if you got one???

Hi Doug if any body did not know about IICRC when they entered this site, they sure do know. Great exposer!

A few pages back Mr. Steamer asked the question WERE DOES MY DUE GO each year to the IICRC?

Would you please put in layman's terms the answer so the poor boy can rest his head at night.

All this guys posts are just a big waste of time.  You can see he does way more talking than he does cleaning.

Thank Gawd for that!

Doug......you are a prize......just getting to know you a little through your comments and posts........I'm not impressed yet.....lots of here-say.........not very constuctive, but hey.....maybe you're just warming up.

                         NIGHTRIDER

Mortgage....get over it

Mr. Steamer;

He waundered so aimless his heart filled with sin

He wouldn't let the  poor IICRC in

Now he's so happy no sorrow in sight

Praise the lord Steamer saw the light.

I heard you have to pay extra charges if you put the seal in your Yellow pages ad???