A Closed Mind
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Topic: A Closed Mind
Posted By: carpetologist
Subject: A Closed Mind
Date Posted: 30/July/2006 at 1:36pm
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Most carpet cleaners who have hot water extraction have a closed one-track mind, the same as I had for many years.
If you haven't tried it...don't knock it. I am talking about OP and Cymex. In some cases you won't believe your eyes. They actually give a better, cleaner look. Take someone up on a demo or better yet, a challenge! ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
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Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 30/July/2006 at 2:10pm
| If I make it up to Las Vegas in September, I'll be looking forward to those demos. My partner and I have talked a lot about the Cymex for "down the road." |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/July/2006 at 4:50pm
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Cymex is going to be the death of the industry as we know it.... It's going to roll back sq ft pricing....property managers are buying them and putting carpet cleaners out of business. It is the easiest do it yourself SOLUTION. really it is and the cost is very small for great results...resluts even a novice can get.
lordy lordy ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 30/July/2006 at 5:16pm
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You will soon be able to rent them at the rental stores??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 30/July/2006 at 7:50pm
| you already can! |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 30/July/2006 at 11:05pm
You are absolutely right Steamer. If WalMart finds out about Cymex and Proxi we will al be out of business. Thank god there are busy and lazy people who will always need service techs. As I see it with less carpets being installed and chemical equipment manufacturers making it easier to clean, it will reduce the number of people entering the carpet cleaning industry.
Now the good news is the ones who are left will be the dedicated professionals who will demand and get good money for the value they perform.
The customer looking to go cheap will have to do it themselves. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
MR. STEAMER wrote:Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 1:53am
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Everybody knows how to cook.......yet they still go to restaurants
Everybody knows how to paint a wall...yet they still hire painters
Everybody can wash their car....but they still use carwashes and pay
The list goes on..while education is good to have, it has created a society of high tech minds & 2 parent income with a limited time allowance for manual labour around the household.......I can assure you that the future of service or manual labour professions will be far more lucrative than the white collar market........you will soon see more guys with dirty jeans driving a B.M.W than the guy sporting a $ 2000 suit
Nightrider
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 7:13am
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nightrider I think you have missed the point...
cymex is a walk behind machine...very easy to use...Lots of big commercial companies already have a JANITOR ie High Rises...
why would they want to pay you .20 a sq ft to do their halls or what ever, when they can get the janitor do walk behind that damn machine for much much less...
I've seen this happen in two cases now...carpet cleaners lost their contract to in house service...
we aint talkin residential ... we talkin commercial...where they already have lots of cheap 10 dollar an hour manual labour
once people see how easy it is, it'll go in house ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: thermedix
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 8:22am
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I have had an op for a month, Iv`e been asked twice by custys were they could get one, sorry Ted, I aint tellin em.. ------------- It`s not how far you fall...it`s how high you bounce back up... |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 4:41pm
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You're right Steamer, I was looking residential not commercial, then again commercial never paid that well anyway..............but it tied you over the winter months......who knows what the future holds
nightrider
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 5:41pm
I agree with Steamer on this one. The Cimex will continue to bring down commercial rates as an ever increasing amount of the work gets done in-house. Any chimp can run that machine. Not so with OP cleaning. There is still enough skill to that method that rates should stay high enough on small commercial and most residential.
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 8:05pm
Is it possible to manufacture " TEFLON BRUSHES " that just glide over the carpet fibres and never wear out................ huuuuuuuuum......something to think about Kenny 
Nightrider
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Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 11:34pm
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Steamer,
Getting 20 cents a sq. ft. on commercial is next to impossible and getting worse. Why doesn't a carpet cleaner purchase a Cymex, get rid of 20 cent thinking and charge what they want to hear...4 cents per sq. ft.
One man Cymex 3500 sq. ft per hour = $140.00 per hour.
I could live on that. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 31/July/2006 at 11:49pm
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I borrowed a cimex from a local cleaner and tried out encap
I was unimpressed
rented a 175 rpm rotary and tried another kind of juice
still unimpressed
it's interim cleaning at best
IMO ------------- A.K.A. Andy |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 8:49am
Steamin I tried the cymex at Ted and was very impressed.... I've seen it in use at a chapters and was very impressed...
I hate wanding commercial jobs ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 12:17pm
| The Cimex is impressive in both the work it produces and the amount of sq et per hour it can do. Only one problem here: The building managers that buy them can do the math as well and already know they can do the work in-house for 1 cent a sq ft. Soon they will not give the work to anyone that charges higher than 2 cents a ft, and most cleaners I know will not work for $70/hour or less.The machine is destroying the commercial side of the business as a result. |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 3:53pm
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Such crap, the only thing destroying the commercial carpet market is uneducated cleaners/janitorial services, over 300 million sq ft of commercial carpet in the GTA alone. You need to prove your worth to these people charge a fair price and go clean. .20 cents for large commercial work is highway robbery, I don't care what you say. If you don't understand the commercial market than don't get involved, some large companies do rather well in this market . Don't forget they have a lot more fabric to be cleaned than carpet, fabric panels, upholstered chairs, leather furniture etc. and one can make big money doing these speciality cleanings, almost all our commercial accounts hire us for our expertise in this field, and don't really care about the cleaning methods we use, they want clean looking carpets,want us to respond to emergencies, and just service the account in the manner we promised, yes there are some buildings that will do their own, but they are few and far between 300 million sq ft is a lot of carpet and the most a small sized business could effectly maintain in a year is about 2 million sq ft, and that would have you working every night and most Saturday's all year long. ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 4:23pm
| Hey Don; why don't you tell us how you really feel? LOL |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 4:30pm
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I think I just did! ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 6:19pm
The point is..... once the customer see how the cymex works, they want one...
I dont like to name names but it has happened.....
once they see how easy the carpet comes clean...they start looking  ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 8:32pm
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Nothing is easier than a bonnet cleaning machine and I have never had a building owner ask where to get a machine like that, we run Cimex's all the time in a wide range of commercial accounts and have never run across a situation such as you refer to, not saying it can't happen, but I would think if the client is happy with your service and the price is fair than I can't see them looking to clean their own carpets with all the other problems most facility/owners face every day with much more important items. even if they did this to you don't run and hide because I can tell they will run into all kinds of problems and than you can get the contract back, plus end up with a cheap Cimex machine that they will no longer need ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 9:32pm
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Yes cleanex it all does come down to price.....I can only comment on the two instances that I have seen.... I don't know how much carpet you clean cleanex...or if you even tell your customer what method you use, or if the customer is even on site when you do your cleaning, or what you charge...
cymex delivers easy results, it's as easy as the custodian vaccumming a 24 storey building..
I know the Sears store in brampton got their own walk behind after seeing that in action...imagine if they saw the cymex????
I don't know what area you service, but people are always looking to save a buck add to the bottom line if it's easy enough...
I didn't say it's an everyday occurance yet.... but as more of us look to get a cymex and hit the commercial carpet cleaning it will happen more and more..
CYMEX CLEANING FOR DUMMY'S
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Posted By: jtuseo
Date Posted: 01/August/2006 at 11:31pm
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Everyone will still grow and survive it is beneath people to clean there own carpets ------------- WWW.PREFERREDCARPETCLEANING.COM |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 7:56am
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Well said jtuseo, that was my point in a round about way. A Sears store buys a walk behind who wants to clean these types of accounts any way? ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 9:01am
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here we go again... you both have still missed the point...most of these companies have in house cleaning staff or they contract it out to a building maintenance company.....
yes correct......
they get the cleaning staff to do it
or the build maintenance staff is responsible for the carpet cleaning and hire an outside firm like you cleanex...they watch you clean it nice and easy with a cimex...and pay you....how long to do think thats going to last before they start doing it themselves.
it's not beaneath the owner/manager/ceo/housekeeping he doesn't deal with the cleaning anyways.
You must deal with a lot of mom and pop small business...with small offices.
I've done maintenance for many big companies this is how it rolls...always looking for the cheaper way.
but I guess you can't teach old dog like cleanex that knows absolutley everything, another old trick. His bag of tricks is full...lol ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 9:10am
These are places where carpet gets dirty every 30 days, if you're going for commercial these are the accounts you want... these are the best service contracts to have...
I use to clean country styles head office once every 6 months 30k square feet...sure is a long time before cleaning and sometimes it was clean and only needed spot cleaning.
Dirty commercial carpet is dirty commercial carpet
do you know how easy it would be to clean a dept store with a cymex??
bahahahahhahahaha ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 11:08am
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Sorry, Steamer you are right, I do a lot of little stuff, have no idea about the big accounts. ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 3:00pm
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Don can you repeat that sevearl times to yourself and keep a strait face??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 5:03pm
well since you know how big accounts are handled you wouldn't have agreed...
we all know your the grand daddy of clean
 you've been there done that....and you're more than willing to contradict something someones has seen with there own eyes....because you have done it all.
I have forgotten what the thread was about...lol
But I stand by my prediction...as the cymex becomes more popular we will see a change...
I'm waiting for the famous cleanex quote "I refuse to have a battle of wits,with someone who is unarmed" ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 5:06pm
------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 02/August/2006 at 11:04pm
| Gumpy is having fun at least. lol |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 03/August/2006 at 1:47am
I can remember back in the early 60's when T.V news media and brainy social analyst said that by the year 1984 we would all be working only 3 days/week , plenty of leisure time to relax with those 4 day week-ends to travel to the moon and back on a shopping spree.......not to mention the cars that would drive themselves, rocket jet packs to zoom around the city,houses that talk,appliances that work on command, desposible clothes,and the list goes on................22 years later 1984 has come and gone and I still can't find a watch that keeps time, and a toaster that can toast both sides of my bread equally...............meanwhile all you guys out there think that a " Cimex Machine " is going to revolutionize and change an industry  ....................................
Nightrider
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Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 03/August/2006 at 3:12pm
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Steamer we all lose accounts from time to time for various reasons, some for cheaper prices, some may opt to clean their own carpets, however, there is a ton of work available for those who wish to go looking for it, I do know that those who choose to clean their own carpets seldom ever save money, nor do they receive the additional advantage of properly cleaned carpets lasting much longer than those that are improperly maintained, I don't sell carpet cleaning to commercial accounts, I sell investment protection for their floorcoverings, and if our program can extend the life of product by 5 years or more I have saved my account a ton of money and that is one thing most accounts understand. Most can not achieve that with their own staff doing the cleaning. As for the battle of wits thing don't work with this post as you do make a good point, and that is something we face all the time, thank God you are not in Janitorial Services because that is much more likely that a account could get totally fedup with that service and decide to clean their own building. As far as the Cimex cleaning I still only call it interium maintenance procedure and that extraction cleaning forms a part of the overall carpet care program ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 03/August/2006 at 3:49pm
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well said ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/August/2006 at 9:12pm
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Well I guess we can put this one to bed than??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 27/November/2006 at 7:37pm
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Not yet. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 27/November/2006 at 8:35pm
SGK needs to keep it alive. Just because he can 
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 27/November/2006 at 8:42pm
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The weekend was a slow one, eh? Time to pick up the pace a bit for the lurkers so they have new reading material? I will post my articles again by next week. Variety is the spice of life eh? ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 27/November/2006 at 11:53pm
Maybe everyone was Christmas shopping 
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 27/November/2006 at 11:57pm
Cimex = 3500sft per hour..... Are you running????
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