Good idea or not?
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Topic: Good idea or not?
Posted By: coos21
Subject: Good idea or not?
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 6:57pm
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Just to give you a background of my unit, I own a 2006 Perma-Mount 120 Deluxe by Bane Clene. So I was thinking of the most effective way to keep from freezing while not using a ceramic heater or spraying my brand new E-250 with insulation foam and came up with an idea of a tarp and a thermal blanket. Now before you all say I got an idea pull in the garage.... not so easy, the thing is way too big for an everyday sub-division garage. That said, I do plug in the water tank over night and the water stays around 160-200 degrees in the 120 gallon tank. The tank does put off steam through a tiny hole in the cap on top of the tank, which made me think if I could try and trap some of the steam, I would not have to use the ever so dangerous space heater. Obviously I am not concerned with the actual water tank freezing, rather the lines and the pumps, etc. So what do you think? Good idea? Please only useful comments, thank you!!
Mark Davis
Davis Carpet Cleaning
Manchester, MI.
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Posted By: thermedix
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 7:45pm
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Sounds like an interesting idea, make use of the heat you have.., have you considered rigging up a small pump to keep that heated water flowing through your lines? ------------- It`s not how far you fall...it`s how high you bounce back up... |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 7:53pm
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I think you are pumping way too much humidity into your van. If it ever froze you would torch to get into it. Another thing all that humidity can't be good ? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: coos21
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 7:54pm
| No I haven't, what is your idea? I talked with Bane Clene today and they said I can rig up a RV anti freeze solution which would go through the tank and I would have to blow it out every morning. I guess I am trying to find a quick and easy method, something which doesn't take 10-15 minutes while standing in the 15 degree wind chill weather (and its Nov. 2nd) and something which is 100% effective. Let me know what your thought was. |
Posted By: coos21
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 8:03pm
| I can't really controll the humidity level.....the hole in the cap was Bane's doing, not mine. I am assuming it is there for a reason. There is not a lot of humidity to the point where persperation is forming (not even close) just enough though that I think I can use it to keep from freezing. The water tank is all insulated, so that heat does not effect the core temp of the vehicle. I am just trying to recover the warm "puff" of steam from time to time to keep everything above 32 degrees. |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 8:07pm
Why would you want to even take a chance on freezup. I cannot understand why someone would spend that kind of money and, A - not have proper storage, B - want to experiment with keeping the unit from freezing. Insulate the van and put a space heater in it. ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 8:10pm
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The hole is in the water tank so it does not collapse when you are using the water. It would create a vacuum if it could not replace the water with air as you worked. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: coos21
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 8:34pm
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When you are 24 and a newlywed, that just bought your first house and just started your first company right out of college you tend to try and get away with things like this. First off the intentions were to move and get a place with a large garage, but since the economy in Michigan is struggling you basically stay put in the house you are in. Secondly why would I want to put a ticking time bomb in my van? $50,000 worth of van and equipment with a space heater, I am not comfortible with that. Read these two links and see why I would not want to put a space heater overnight in my vehicle. http://www.littlerock.org/CityDepartments/Fire/Divisions/PublicEducation/SpaceHeater.aspx - http://www.littlerock.org/CityDepartments/Fire/Divisions/PublicEducation/SpaceHeater.aspx
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=626389 - http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=626389
I have a thermometor in the truck right now which reads 48 degrees and the temp outside is 27. So right now I am good with my rigged up tarp and thermal blanket. This may or may not solve my problem, but until my winterizing kit comes in, it will have to do. Good thing this is the last of the freezing temps at night.....well at least for a week that is.
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 8:39pm
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YOU SURE YOU DIDN'T BUY A PRESSURE COOKER, MY WIFE USED TO COOK A SLAB OF BEEF IN A CONTRAPTION LIKE THAT...........BUT YOUR CONCEPT IS INTERESTING.............PROBLEM WOULD BE CONDENSATION, YOU WOULD END UP WITH A THIN LAYER OF ICE ALL OVER THE INTERIOR.
STEAM COOLS AT A RAPID PACE IF NOT CONTAINED UNDER PRESSURE.
DECREASE THE AIR PRESSURE IN THE TIRES AND MAKE IT FIT INTO YOUR GARAGE.
NIGHTRIDER
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 8:48pm
After your first freezup you will be putting a space heater inside your van. Look at the oil filled units much safer! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: coos21
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 8:49pm
| LOL if only that would work. The problem is more then height, it is length as well. I have the extended version, so height nor length will work. Welcome to my world. As far as condensation, I would have it when it was warm as well wouldn't I? I did not experience it at all since I have plugged my van in.....and that is basically every night for three weeks. So I am wondering if I am in the clear with that?? |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 03/November/2006 at 10:34pm
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Just what Hammy said.. oil filled radiator heater from Wal-Mart.. I used 2 in my Van last winter. One on each side set at low or medium, depending how cold it got. And it always stayed above 32f
These home fires are from bad wiring in older homes usually.
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 12:40am
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iF THE VAN IS WARM AND THE STEAM COOLS TO THE AMBIANT SPACE TEMPERATURE AT A QUICK ENOUGH PACE.........THERE WOULD BE NO CONDENSATION AT THAT POINT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE HEAT GENERATED FROM THE HOLDING TANKS
NIGHTRIDER
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 1:54am
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You are doing it the hard way. Just use compressed air to blow the water out of the lines and pump. The latent heat in the water is enough to stop the water in the tank from freezing. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 3:19am
I think he should have a " Glide " on the compressed air Kenny 
nightrider
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 6:37am
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Hell it's a Bane just leave it plugged in?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 8:07am
| Call Ted and buy a Ninja from him. |
Posted By: coos21
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 8:37am
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Just so all you guys who bashed me about freeze up know, it was 19 lastnight and when I woke up this morning it was 48 in the truck. Maybe, just maybe, I found something that works? Now if it gets below zero then I will do the blow out and all of that, but for now its the tarp and the thermal blanket for me.
Nightrider, you may have described exactly what I am doing better then I did.
" iF THE VAN IS WARM AND THE STEAM COOLS TO THE AMBIANT SPACE TEMPERATURE AT A QUICK ENOUGH PACE.........THERE WOULD BE NO CONDENSATION AT THAT POINT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE HEAT GENERATED FROM THE HOLDING TANKS "
And that is exactly what I am doing. Stealing the excess heat from the holding tank and keeping the hoses and pumps above 32 degrees. Well thanks guys for your input. I would say for now the case is CLOSED!!!
GO BANE!!!
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Posted By: Rampage
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 12:14pm
I guess you guys probably dont want to hear about me sitting at the lake behind my house drinking beer, here in Florida...in shorts!!
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 3:09pm
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send us a picture of the beer......................
nightrider
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 6:49pm
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coos21...you should have 2"by2" the floor and had it sprayfoamed as well...and then a divider...and spray foam that too.....then a 60 watt bulb could keep your van warm...spray foam has an air tight seal... you loose most your heat from the floor and your dog house
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 8:31pm
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If you live in a northern climate why role the dice! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 8:33pm
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What Steamer wnats you to do is install the unit, then completely fill the van with foam??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 8:51pm
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Good idea! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 10:13pm
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doug wrote:Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 04/November/2006 at 11:11pm
| If your van is well insulated.... floor, sides, ceiling...like mine is...what i mentioned and the other guys will work...so simple a cave man can do it... |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 05/November/2006 at 9:51am
------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/November/2006 at 2:15pm
| you drive around and show off the insulation.. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 05/November/2006 at 3:45pm
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I guess you will have to take the doors off then? ------------- Just My opinion |