Padman,

Thank you for the response.   I really didn't mean to come across as having a chip on my shoulder.  I just needed some straight answers about how this system works.  To be completely honest, I've been debating buying another truckmount but I may consider another option.  This tm was going to exclusively clean commercial areas (mostly hotels)..  Do commercial establishments accept op cleaning as a thorough method of cleaning interior fabrics or do they look at it as more of a routine maintainance program between steam cleaning?  Also, do you pre-vacuum the carpets, op clean, and then vacuuum again?

I'm not that far from Lexington Padman.. I'm in Campbellsville Ky.  I would be interested in seeing this system in action.  In some ways, I can see allot of advantages of op over hwe (particuliarly the drying time).  I would have of normally looked at OP cleaning as a less effective process used by individuals who couldn't fork out the money for good equipment, but I will admit that you got my attention when you mentioned having a tm that you didn't use. 

Steve

We have sold Brutes and commercial Breeze's to Vortex users, yes they DO like the additional soil removal and are quite surprised by it.

We recently sold a couple more and are waiting for feedback on them.

Great post Harry.. good to have users jump in, just because I sell the system they think I am full of it, I am FULL of it, just not about OP cleaning.

Harry

Ted was referring to Mike The Cleaning Guy's Vortex.......he was the first person in Ontario to purchase one.

Click this link for Vortex pictures  http://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1509& KW=vortex&TPN=1

Thanks Ted, I hope you're having a good summer.

I guess that must the Wizard as he's the only Canadian I know with a Vortex, sounded like a magic trick to sell OP to a Vortex man, lol. Obviously he has an open mind.

Steve, if you were to talk to any old timers you would know that there was a lot of resistance to HWE by the Foamers who ruled the roost back then. HWE didn't take over in a just a year or two. OP won't either. I know both Joey and John, they work across the street from each other and ordinarily I'd say that you have a point but in this instance if Joey knew about this he wouldn't be bothered.

Another thing about having both systems on my trucks is that if there is any problem with the tm ( no gas, broken belt etc) we can keep going with OP equipment. Also when we run into a really trashed hallway we can (for an extra charge) pre-scrub with the OP machine and then complete the job with a wand.  SInce I have employees, we still have a few re-services - usually wicking and now all re-services are done by one man with an OP machine, so no tm's are tied up doing re-service work, bonus.

We can also, though we have not yet got into this yet, do ceramic and wood floors.

Last point is that for the first time this winter I will be able to park my trucks and only use OP with no worries about major damage to my tm's from being stuck, stalled or in an accident in freezing cold weather.

Harry

This is a very good educational Post especially coming from a person who is cleaning and not selling equipment.  No hype here only excellent advise to help profitability and satisfying customers.

Harry did you see the post I put in last week, indicating that I have sold a customer an op machine who operates a Vortex? He was dumbfounded on how much soil was on the pad after he Vortex a house.

Steamer, you KNOW I love a good firey debate, and yes you are an expert at stirring the pot..

On that, my compliments..

Steve, I have been in this biz for over 25 years and run a 6 tm biz in Winnipeg. I now have an OP machine in each of our main Res trucks, My Techs were very skeptical at first and then started fighting over the one unit we started with. We run two man crews and so now both techs are fully occupied cleaning carpet and production has increased by one job per day.  We no longer turn down condos in high rises and all stairs are done with OP because it is far and away the best method for stairs. We had for years trained our customers on the superiority of TM's and so only suggested to offer a demo to our repeat customers. About half of our Residential work is done with OP system now. We also do about 10,000 sq feet per night with either Cimex or John's commercial OP machine the Brute. Some Apartment block owners no have told us "do not use truck mount system in our buildings".

 Customers are happy, techs are happy and costs and reservices are down. I'm happy since prices are up and profit is up.

Just don't bother with any phantom OP machine from Calgary made by a guy with no knowledge of this system that was developed, tested and researched by Padman for over thirty years.

Steamer doesn't have a clue and doesn't have the imagination to get out of the box he's been for so long. Change is tough for some. Stirring the pot is Steamers only experize, lol

Good luck.....oh and Oil just hit a new high with predictions of triple the current prices within two years....think about that with your tm only biz.