Carpet and Floor Cleaning Industry Chat Forum : Which "SAFE" chemical is better? https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 04 Apr 2026 17:52:13 +0000 Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:15:10 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.06 360 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2721 <![CDATA[Carpet and Floor Cleaning Industry Chat Forum]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : I can appreciate that, doug. ...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65811&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65811 Author: Michael
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Posted: 09/July/2006 at 12:15pm

I can appreciate that, doug.]]> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:15:10 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65811&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65811 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : Michael I will not doubt you knowledge...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65801&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65801 Author: doug
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Posted: 09/July/2006 at 11:01am

Michael I will not doubt you knowledge of the subject or your ability to do an exceptional job at what you do.  My point is when an industry mass produces something, anything the quality goes dow. The same holds true for the IICRC and  the number of instructors now out there and the never ending quest of changing things to try and attempt to keep them all busy. Some instructors are exceptional and others well??? It's money well wasted. But I am a believer in as long as you pick something up it is worth the time and money, I am just having a hard time in justifying some of it anymore.]]> Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:01:54 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65801&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65801 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : doug wrote:So the fact...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65782&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65782 Author: Michael
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Posted: 08/July/2006 at 11:47pm

Originally posted by doug doug wrote:

So the fact it absorbs NO MOISTURE does not  contribute to it's ability to be able to float. Is not the term specific gravity just the old Bulls*it baffles Brains to make the so called instructors every so increditable intelligent??? 

Maybe, doug. Maybe not. Do you have enough definite knowledge to say one way or the other either, or are you just resting on authoritative sources that you trust, just like most of us do? I don't see any need to prove my point; I just asked for your points as to why you disagreed. If I was misinformed or semi-misinformed by being swayed by nerdy terminology, then shame on me, I guess. It doesn't really affect how I do my job. The point was that I don't have enough knowledge of physical chemistry to report with any certainty exactly how water behaves on two hypothetical separate pieces of carpet whose only real difference is their respective specific gravities. In other words, I don't have specific knowledge of an experiement where water's propensity to travel past the piles of carpets of differing specific gravities was recorded, so I can't personally comment with absolute certainty. Are you asking me to look this stuff up in the appropriate journals and report back to you? I was just trying to be honest, because your request for me to explain "why" these things work the way they do would eventually lead down this path, right?

I just cut to the chase: none of us are scientists; we base our opinions on authorities that we trust (for whatever reason); then we compare knowledge to hopefully root out the truth, in time. If I'm wrong, I'd love to be enlightened, which I've already asked. You can either pony up with your definitive knwledge and its source, or you can just continue being vaguely contrary.

Have I sort of answered your question, or are you still waiting for . . . something?

 


Edited by Michael - 08/July/2006 at 11:58pm]]> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:47:24 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65782&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65782 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : So the fact it absorbs NO MOISTURE...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65778&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65778 Author: doug
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Posted: 08/July/2006 at 7:01pm

So the fact it absorbs NO MOISTURE does not  contribute to it's ability to be able to float. Is not the term specific gravity just the old Bulls*it baffles Brains to make the so called instructors every so increditable intelligent??? ]]> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:01:17 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65778&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65778 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : The reason olefin floats on water...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65776&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65776 Author: LilNiteRidrhood
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Posted: 08/July/2006 at 6:46pm

The reason olefin floats on water is that it has a specific gravity of less than 1.

The real issue here is that olefin absorbs NO MOISTURE.

In real terms that means that water rolls right down the fiber.

The second issue is that olefin has an affinity for oil.
It attracts oil. It loves oil.
]]> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:46:37 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65776&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65776 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : Michael I have never attended...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65772&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65772 Author: doug
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Posted: 08/July/2006 at 6:38pm

Michael I have never attended one of Mr. Heifferman's classes. Is he a scientist along with being a carpet cleaning instructor?]]> Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:38:49 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65772&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65772 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : Just going by what the experts...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65733&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65733 Author: Michael
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Posted: 07/July/2006 at 6:21pm

Just going by what the experts tell me, doug. I'm not a scientist.]]> Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:21:00 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65733&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65733 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : Michael: could you explain to...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65731&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65731 Author: doug
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Posted: 07/July/2006 at 4:50pm

Michael: could you explain to me what causes olefin to have a low specific gravity compared to nylon or wool or whatever? Are you also saying that it is oil based soiliing that is the cause of wicking in olefin? Please enlighten me?]]> Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:50:17 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65731&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65731 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : I don&#039;t disagree that olefin...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65726&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65726 Author: Michael
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Posted: 07/July/2006 at 3:09pm

I don't disagree that olefin is less absorbant than other carpet fiber types, and I never did. It makes sense that it would affect how the prespray is held/suspended, as will the fact that it has such a low specific gravity, which is the main contributing factor to over-wetting (as I was taught). Disagree? Contact Doug Heifferman, who is one of Bridgepoint's main instructors. I'm sure he'd like to be enlightened so he can stop spreading misinformation.

Also, wicking on olefin can also be attributed to the fact that its more susceptible to oil-based soiling than other fibers used for carpet.
]]> Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:09:35 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65726&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65726 <![CDATA[Which "SAFE" chemical is better? : polypropylene is water proof...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65724&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65724 Author: cleanex
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Posted: 07/July/2006 at 1:54pm

polypropylene [olefin] is water proof absorbs less moisture than any other fiber, and that is why wick backs on this fiber are more likely to happen than the other man made fibers, and that is why I said the old way of applying presprays and allowing dwell time only made the situation of wick backs more common.]]> Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:54:51 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2721&PID=65724&title=which-safe-chemical-is-better#65724