Carpet and Floor Cleaning Industry Chat Forum : Whats the best port cleaner ? https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 15 Jun 2026 09:32:08 +0000 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:20:15 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.06 360 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4361 <![CDATA[Carpet and Floor Cleaning Industry Chat Forum]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : Very interesting. I know when...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=133082&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#133082 Author: Johnsmith808
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Posted: 22/December/2007 at 10:20pm

Very interesting.  I know when I bought my Diamondback, I went forthe 220" of water lift.  I had no idea what the cfm was, neitherdid I think it mattered.  Now I know better.

So since waterlift is only really needed up to 140", and from what I'veread, two 3 stage vacs can produce at least that much whether inparallel or series, then the cfm of 100 for series and 200 for parallelare the only numbers that mean much.  Does that mean in thiscomparison, the vac performance of a unit in parallel is twice as goodas once in a series (200 versus 100 cfm)?
]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:20:15 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=133082&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#133082 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : It seems to me that the better...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=133080&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#133080 Author: FriendlyHammer
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Posted: 22/December/2007 at 10:02pm

It seems to me that the better selling machines are all in parallel, but I could be wrong.  The reason that so many are in series, I believe, is that 1) there is a misunderstanding by those maufacturers what actaully works, and 2) if you want to sell machines it's better to have a bigger number than a smaller number for the customer to look at. If your vacuums are in parallel, your biggest number will be the number "200," which will be your cfm. If your vacuums are in series, the manufacturer will tend to have a number over "200."  The question is, would you rather have -- 200 of something that helps you clean carpet, or more than 200 of something that stopped helping after 130-140?



Edited by FriendlyHammer - 22/December/2007 at 10:04pm]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:02:17 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=133080&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#133080 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : So if vacs run in paralled are...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=133078&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#133078 Author: Johnsmith808
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Posted: 22/December/2007 at 9:03pm

So if vacs run in paralled are so much better for carpet cleaning, whydo most machines have them set up in a series?  Marketing? Easier to install?

What would do a better job: 1)A unit with 2-3 stage vacs run in a series or 2)a unit with 2-2 stage vacs run in parallel?
]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:03:32 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=133078&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#133078 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : What? so which is the best? ]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=132542&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#132542 Author: DeepScrub
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Posted: 19/December/2007 at 12:12pm

What? so which is the best?]]> Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:12:53 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=132542&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#132542 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : deepScrub; They are truly two...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=132539&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#132539 Author: Ed Valentine
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Posted: 19/December/2007 at 8:58am

deepScrub;

They are truly two horses of a differnet color, period.]]> Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:58:02 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=132539&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#132539 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : Which one is worth buying RECOIL...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=132511&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#132511 Author: DeepScrub
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Posted: 18/December/2007 at 9:25pm

Which one is worth buying RECOIL 500PSI,OR THE NINJA 500PSI.bOTH WOULD BE HEATED OF COURSE.]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:25:36 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=132511&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#132511 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : Yeah, you have to give them a...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=129523&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#129523 Author: FriendlyHammer
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Posted: 27/November/2007 at 4:01am

Yeah, you have to give them a 5 gallon pail of shredded packing peanuts to make the comparison. Something visual.
    

Edited by FriendlyHammer - 27/November/2007 at 4:01am]]> Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:01:21 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=129523&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#129523 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : FriendlyHammer, We appreciate...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=129330&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#129330 Author: carpetologist
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Posted: 26/November/2007 at 2:14pm

FriendlyHammer,

We appreciate your information and education on the differences of vacuums in parallel or series. Suprisingly enough from a person selling these machines they find that the newbie does not listen to reason. He puts his palm over the suction hose and makes his/her decision from there.

Seems like everyone starting out feel that they know most everything.
]]> Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:14:18 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=129330&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#129330 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : Great comments, FriendlyHammer!...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=129307&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#129307 Author: Ed Valentine
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Posted: 26/November/2007 at 8:12am

Great comments, FriendlyHammer! very true.

Ed Valentine]]> Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:12:56 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=129307&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#129307 <![CDATA[Whats the best port cleaner ? : The waterlift calculations are...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4361&PID=129208&title=whats-the-best-port-cleaner#129208 Author: FriendlyHammer
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Posted: 25/November/2007 at 4:21pm

The waterlift calculations are accurate if their vacuums have 147" of waterlift. So for the sake of argument, I'll say their waterlift is accurate, although I suspect they're using 2-stage vacuums, so 147 seems doubtful.

When you use a powerful porty or a truckmount you can hear the air moving through the wand and the hose. That's the cfm at work. When using a porty with vacuums in series, the air movement harldly makes any noise. So yes, it's all hype.

Remember, the waterlift takes effect when all the air is removed from the system. 100 cfm can't get the air out fast enough, so they can claim they have high numbers, but it only works when they've got their hand over the end of the hose.
    
    

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