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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : only most of the time?? how insulting......]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1730">FreshAire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26/June/2008 at 12:58pm<br /><br />only most of the time?? how insulting... I think i make sense all of the time<br><br>&nbsp;<img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/blahblah.gif" border="0" alt="Blah%20Blah" /><img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/blahblah.gif" border="0" alt="Blah%20Blah" /><img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/blahblah.gif" border="0" alt="Blah%20Blah" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : Why wouldn&amp;#039;t I agree with...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=84">Superglide Ken</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26/June/2008 at 12:39pm<br /><br />Why wouldn't I agree with you Freshaire? You make alot of sense most of the time. <img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : no, not a lot, just enough to...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1730">FreshAire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26/June/2008 at 4:57am<br /><br />no, not a lot, just enough to do the job, dumping from the tank, <b>if done correctly</b>, will dry faster than prespraying anyway. I know I'll have guys howling down that one too, but there's a big diff between just dumping and controlling!<br><br>Prochem Performer is my choice of extractor if you must know and Mick... I was scared too when he agreed with me!! LOL'S<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : you&amp;#039;re dumping a lot of water...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1106">Ken_Is_OK</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26/June/2008 at 12:25am<br /><br />you're dumping a lot of water on the carpet eh?<DIV>do you own a VorNinja?</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : Frank i started to worry when...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=504">Mick Oz</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25/June/2008 at 10:22pm<br /><br />Frank i started to worry when Ken  began to agree with you.<br /><br />Mick<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mick Oz - 25/June/2008 at 10:22pm</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : yep, do both myself, scrub with...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1730">FreshAire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25/June/2008 at 10:18pm<br /><br />yep, do both myself, scrub with a rotary scrubber after pre-spray or use drop tank depending on the job... prescrub, altho takes time in itself, saves a heap of wand time and heap of effort overall and gives a far superior result.<br><br>sh*t, there we go, agreeing again... you're starting to worry me!!<img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" /><img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" /><br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : Never did disagree....scroll I...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=54">MR. STEAMER</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25/June/2008 at 7:52am<br /><br />Never did disagree....scroll&nbsp; I just said the difference is minor and I find a waste of time.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't prevac I pre scrub&nbsp; which I find gives way better results.&nbsp; You can vac a room 3 or 4 times and still pull crap out of the carpet.]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : What? Mr Steamer, you&amp;#039;re...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1730">FreshAire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25/June/2008 at 4:50am<br /><br />What? Mr Steamer, you're gonna agree with me?<br><br>Pardon me whilst I pick myself up off the floor!<img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" /><img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" /><img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" /><br><img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" /><br>I'm glad you stated that it is just your opinion, and to be perfectly honest I used to think the same way until I had it proven otherwise to me... as they say seeing is believing and yeah I do get to do some sh*tholes, but I find a lot of my up-market customers still benefit with a good prevac, especially if they have sisal style carpets that make perfect dust traps due to their profile.<br><br>Fact is most people also only have barrel type vacs, no powerheads or even turbo heads, so no matter how much they vac they always leave enough behind for them to like the fact that I <i>do </i>bother to prevac and when they see the results, they are consequently are happy to pay the extra dollars for the perceived value they're getting. <br><br>I win, cos I make more per job w/out the machine running or my truck chewing up fuel driving from job to job, customer wins cos their carpets do stay cleaner for longer, saving them money and prolonging the life of their carpets and I win again cos I have loyal customers who are happy to refer me to other friends and family; probably the reason I haven't had to advertise my services for the last decade I guess as the work these days chases me instead of me having to chase it!<img src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Smile" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : everyday life.... thats my got...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=54">MR. STEAMER</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24/June/2008 at 9:38pm<br /><br />everyday life....&nbsp; thats my got damn proof...LOL <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I vac if it's really needed....</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>which are very few...</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>the pic you posted means nothing...what proof is that?????</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>you must be doing some real sh*t holes with customer who are as nasty as hell if you have to vac every got damn job.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>it doesn't make sense to fight with you... pre-vacuuming every job is the right thing to do... if the customer will pay for it why not.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>does it make a big difference I don't think so but thats just my opinion.</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by MR. STEAMER - 25/June/2008 at 7:49am</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[VACUUM BEFORE CLEANING : interesting photo ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1106">Ken_Is_OK</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 5130<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24/June/2008 at 8:40pm<br /><br />interesting photo ]]>
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