Carpet and Floor Cleaning Industry Chat Forum : New Guy seeking advice https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 25 May 2026 16:51:18 +0000 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:46:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.06 360 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=5594 <![CDATA[Carpet and Floor Cleaning Industry Chat Forum]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : Your first choice in a bultler...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=155254&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#155254 Author: allan9mac
Subject: 5594
Posted: 10/June/2009 at 11:46am

Your first choice in a bultler system is a very good one I have had one since 1995 and very few problems. I leased a truck and took it down to the Butler factory for the installation,and they instructed me on the care of the equipment,it has outlasted the truck.]]> Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:46:39 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=155254&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#155254 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : spam? Leave spam out of this,...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152203&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152203 Author: FuzzSucker
Subject: 5594
Posted: 11/February/2009 at 9:05pm

spam? Shocked
Leave spam out of this, I dont know what a ham substitute has to do with cleaning. Its just plain inappropriate.
]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:05:09 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152203&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152203 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : yea im sorry, i dont mean there...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152022&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152022 Author: jaymark1
Subject: 5594
Posted: 08/February/2009 at 1:10am

yea im sorry, i dont mean there arnt good units out there, like ones with a kohler.  I had a kohler for about a year, it worked fine, of course I know there are alot of other factors when it comes to cleaning, I didnt mean to put down the kohler...

honestly, im not sure about the relief valve....butler told me not to let it circulate for more then 5 minutes, but the guy i trained with only ever did 30 seconds, and his pumps were last twice as long as they normally do

yea a grand a month for the butler, with all the options...3 jobs pays that off, add some upholetery, maybe some windows, a couple of throw rugs and ive paid my truck off for the month in a day easy...
 
...well, not anymore....now I have to sell spam to the home owners to pay my bills!


Edited by jaymark1 - 08/February/2009 at 1:15am]]> Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:10:33 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152022&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152022 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : jaymark1 wrote: my butler...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152020&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152020 Author: John L
Subject: 5594
Posted: 08/February/2009 at 12:53am

Originally posted by jaymark1 jaymark1 wrote:

my butler is great, I love it, it never breaks down, and it runs with the normal heat option about 200 in the winter, and 220 in the summer...I bought it two years old, saved me about 8 grand, and only had 55 hours on it.  I have used some of the cheaper machines out there, the ones with the kohler engine, just not enough heat and suction....and ive used some of the monster machines, you know, that are in box trucks, I cant think of the name right now.

 
One key thing, with any truck mount, dont let the water circulate in that pump for more then 30 seconds.  Butler will tell you you have 5 minutes before you start to break down the seals, dont do it.  Just stay with the rule of 30 seconds between squeezing your wand, and that cat pump will last a life time
 
check out my webpage, to see it all lettered up.
 
 
The only thing of course, with buying a butler, is the cost, get ready to shell out 1000 bucks a month, and 2000 grand a year for insurance...
 
 
 
All great info above..Approve The Kohler Engines ? I guess it depends which one you have.. Mine has lava heat and it will suck the snot out of anyone nose a mile away..Lol!  DeadConfusedLOLDead
 
On the pump.. Dont you have a Thermal relief valve on the inlet side of the cat?Shocked Heat is what damages the insides and Butler is somewhat correct but the TRV is there to prevent heat build up when the trigger isnt squeezed.. If your prespraying and the heat in the pump builds up to around 145f it will open and a small amount of water exits and cool water enters the pump.. Preventing internal damage..CoolApproveUnhappySleepyShockedStarClapAngryOuchConfusedEmbarrassedDeadCryBig%20smileLOLWinkTongueSmileCool
 
You can call Commercial Businesses all day long..ClapApproveBig%20smileClap
 
What is the 1k a Month for..? TM payment..? Confused
 


Edited by John L - 08/February/2009 at 12:55am]]> Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:53:03 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152020&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152020 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : my butler is great, I love it,...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152015&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152015 Author: jaymark1
Subject: 5594
Posted: 07/February/2009 at 10:13pm

my butler is great, I love it, it never breaks down, and it runs with the normal heat option about 200 in the winter, and 220 in the summer...I bought it two years old, saved me about 8 grand, and only had 55 hours on it.  I have used some of the cheaper machines out there, the ones with the kohler engine, just not enough heat and suction....and ive used some of the monster machines, you know, that are in box trucks, I cant think of the name right now..

I would recomend getting 3, 50 foot section for your pressure hose, and rotate them, cause 1, 150 section will eventualy bust and you will be stuck.

John L is right, high heat option i have used, and it melts anything away..

There sooooooooooooooo simple to maintain, takes me a hour a week at the most, and thats more BSing with it, acting like I know what im doing. 
 
One key thing, with any truck mount, dont let the water circulate in that pump for more then 30 seconds.  Butler will tell you you have 5 minutes before you start to break down the seals, dont do it.  Just stay with the rule of 30 seconds between squeezing your wand, and that cat pump will last a life time
 
check out my webpage, to see it all lettered up.
 
www.serviceknight.net
 
The only thing of course, with buying a butler, is the cost, get ready to shell out 1000 bucks a month, and 2000 grand a year for insurance...
 
 
]]> Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:13:24 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=152015&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#152015 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : Duck,Excellent advice! Thank you...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151791&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151791 Author: bevrado87
Subject: 5594
Posted: 02/February/2009 at 1:31pm

Duck,
Excellent advice! Thank you very much.
]]> Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:31:18 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151791&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151791 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : Conduct your own phone survey...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151695&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151695 Author: duckcountry
Subject: 5594
Posted: 27/January/2009 at 2:17pm

Conduct your own phone survey - if in US, there is the DoNotCall list, but since you aren't selling you should be fine using the phone book unless you run into some arse on the phone.  Identify yourself as a research firm and not a carpet cleaner.  Turn off you callerID. Graph out your answers, see who you potential customer is.  Using the percentage of respondence falling into that basket use your chamber's household numbers and apply the ratio from the survey to that number.  Now, divide it by the number of carpet cleaners in the phone book.  Is that share big enough to support you at your targeted average prices? 

If not, go fish - find something else to pursue.  Never argue with numbers or twist them to get the results you are happy with.  Numbers don't lie and you are only cheating yourself when fabricating stats.  Never go into this process with a hypothesis you want to prove. 

Hell, even Edison tried 1000 different ways to make the light bulb before he succeeded so you can either say he failed 1000 times or he was sucessful in finding 1000 ways it would not work.

How many businesses are YOU willing to test with surveys?  Just because Starbucks might look like a good business the question is how many more coffee shops can your city support based on X number per square mile?  Broaden you view of this whole business thing and know this... Carpet Cleaning is NOT the end all for making right your economic goals.  It does serve some people well, not everyone who jumps into a pool full of Joe Polish Piranhas.

Invest a week of calling around the cities you want to serve.  That is my take.
]]> Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:17:18 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151695&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151695 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : Pros out there, any advice on...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151687&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151687 Author: bevrado87
Subject: 5594
Posted: 27/January/2009 at 8:01am

Pros out there, any advice on market research? I have looked around a bit on the web but I am not finding what I would call solid info. I know some basics like the population of the area I want to serve, number of cleaners advertising in the phone book, a little about the demographics of the area, and a little about the prices of the industry in our area. I know, a little weak. I have not contacted the local chamber of commerce yet, is that another good source? What are some other good sources of info.?

Thanks,

Bevrado87
]]> Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:01:52 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151687&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151687 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : If you get a Butler go for the...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151650&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151650 Author: John L
Subject: 5594
Posted: 23/January/2009 at 11:27pm

If you get a Butler go for the HIGH HEAT option.. ]]> Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:27:47 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151650&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151650 <![CDATA[New Guy seeking advice : I am going to do some market analysis...]]> https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5594&PID=151644&title=new-guy-seeking-advice#151644 Author: bevrado87
Subject: 5594
Posted: 23/January/2009 at 4:44pm

I am going to do some market analysis research on the web and with the help of my mentor/friend.
Duckcountry, thanks for the good piece of wisdom...better to temper my enthusiasm with a good plan. I will do some market analysis on the web but any advice you can give on that is appreciated too.
danmarck82, thanks for your opinion too....you sound like my mentor. He has seen/used other too but mirrors your opinion of the Butler....reliable, simple, tough...good machines.
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