https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 09 Jun 2026 16:35:48 +0000 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:51:43 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.06 360 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6211 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/ https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157489&title=op-versus-crb#157489 Author: FuzzSucker
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Posted: 28/October/2009 at 12:51am

I agree. I carry equipment to do bonnet, shampoo and hwe. I'm just mentioning that is the current standard. ]]> Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:51:43 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157489&title=op-versus-crb#157489 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157453&title=op-versus-crb#157453 Author: Soil Lint Green
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Posted: 27/October/2009 at 12:23am

The IICRC recognizes, does not recommend.  And what it recognizes are three low moisture, two high moisture systems.  60% of the recognized methods (the majority) are Very Low Moisture of one kind or another.

Of course we are all professionals, we decide what is the best method for the carpet in its current condition.  That or we all do the carpet mill's bidding and think within the box.  I believe that experience has taught us all well to think outside the box and trust our instinct derived from personal experiences.

Right?
]]> Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:23:55 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157453&title=op-versus-crb#157453 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157442&title=op-versus-crb#157442 Author: FuzzSucker
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Posted: 26/October/2009 at 12:06pm

Actually the IICRC's stance on the cleaning systems now, is that they recommend whatever the manufacturer of the carpet recommends. And the manufacturers do not currently recommend any system that uses a rotatory floor machine. They believe it causes to much pile distortion. Most of the manufacturers only recommend HWE. Only a couple recommend the drum brush style system for the commercial glue down only. Not the rotary systems. So basically the IICRC's stance is, use whatever you want, but you may be voiding a few warranties here and there. I'm not against using a rotary, I love mine for commercial, but its what the latest stance from IICRC is. By the way any rotary including RX20 or RV360 are included in the void the warranty category. ]]> Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:06:22 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157442&title=op-versus-crb#157442 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157280&title=op-versus-crb#157280 Author: Chica
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Posted: 17/October/2009 at 1:04pm

Okay someone out there has to have tried both methods and can offer up some sort of review... ]]> Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:04:03 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157280&title=op-versus-crb#157280 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157118&title=op-versus-crb#157118 Author: Soil Lint Green
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Posted: 12/October/2009 at 9:57pm

The IICRC takes no position on which method is better.

'IICRC S100 lists the standard steps included in each of 5 industry-accepted cleaning methods, based on the Principles of Cleaning. The 5 methods include: absorbent compound, absorbent pad, dry foam, shampoo, and “steam” cleaning. There is no attempt to compare methods or declare a “best method.” Rather the focus is on specifying standard steps that must be included in the proper use of each.'

OP, CRB and standard bonnet machines including floor machines using bonnets (my favorite) are as we all know just versions of the absorbent pad method.  Looks like you are sold on the CRB machines for what looks like good reasons.

Have you noticed 3 out of the 5 methods are basic VLM methods while the other two use lots of water, the one being the biggest self proclaimed winners of the water wars.

So how long have you had the CRB unit?  Who is the manufacturer?  What is the worse carpet you were able to make like new with it?  Any pics?  We love to share shots.  What chemicals do you use?  How do your customers feel about being able to use their carpet so soon?
]]> Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:57:05 +0000 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157118&title=op-versus-crb#157118 https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6211&PID=157116&title=op-versus-crb#157116 Author: Chica
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Posted: 12/October/2009 at 9:35pm

Okay so I have spent a month reading up on everything I could find about VLM methods using OP and CRB machines as well as talking with various mfg's.

So far this is what I have found so far:
-Initial machine cost is roughly about the same, and thus a wash
-Pad cost (in quantity) vs Brush cost is about equal per sq/ft, and thus a wash
-CRB's use sponge material that is tossed, Pads need to be changed/washed, sq/ft cost is about the same, and thus a wash
-Pad (in quantity) versus brush (set) lifetime seems to be equal, and thus a wash
-Various pads and brushes can be selected depending on application, and thus a wash
-Respective sq/ft/hr productivity is about the same, and thus a wash
-CRB machines lift pile better, CRB gets the nod
-CRB machines can be used to pre 'vac' (W&C renovator), CRB gets the nod

So far were pretty much equal with a few nods to CRB machines whichleaves us with which machines actually clean better, those with actualexperiance what say you?
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