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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : Sure did, however he HATES Bush...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=63">PadMan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19/October/2004 at 5:25pm<br /><br /><P>Sure did, however he HATES Bush and is even coming out with another one before the election.</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>But MOST people are pretty wise to him now that his FACTS have been debunked.</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : Pretty crafty guy Michael Moore...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=84">Superglide Ken</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19/October/2004 at 11:13am<br /><br />Pretty crafty guy Michael Moore is then , John. On the surface it sure looks like a non fiction Documentary.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : I only posted a few of the lies,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=63">PadMan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19/October/2004 at 8:51am<br /><br />I only posted a few of the lies, there are several more, 19 to be exact, the whole movie was MADE with a message and while a part here or there is true the twist on the WHOLE movie is false. That was intentional.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : No way was it that Andy. They...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=84">Superglide Ken</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19/October/2004 at 2:20am<br /><br />No way was it that Andy. They don't give out the Palm d'orr award to a movie at Cannes unless most of what is there is true. I have seen it, but don't have time to check all the points yet that John posted. But I will, since I bought the movie on DVD so I could go over it a few times to check all the info out in it.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : Bush is completely honest and...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=27">Steaminpile</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18/October/2004 at 4:10pm<br /><br /><P>Bush is completely honest and would never do anything for his own gains.</P><P>just ask the Padman.<IMG src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>the whole movie was nothing but a big fat <FONT size=7>LIE</FONT></P><P><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</P><P><FONT size=2><IMG src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"></FONT></P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : Thanks for your list John. Probably...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=84">Superglide Ken</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17/October/2004 at 9:31pm<br /><br />Thanks for your list John. Probably will not matter when Kerry looks to win this one, but if it checks out, it certainly would show that Michael Moore doesn't let the facts get in the way of making a good movie, eh? You would also think that if that much that you posted was not true, someone at Cannes would have called him on it BEFORE they gave him an award for it too. Hmmmmm.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Superglide Ken</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=27">Steaminpile</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17/October/2004 at 9:16pm<br /><br /><P><IMG src="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"></P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : Puttin&amp;#039; the spin on my countrymen...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10">Willy Parsons</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17/October/2004 at 8:24pm<br /><br /><P>&nbsp;Puttin' the spin on my countrymen now Mr. Paddington? LOL! Watch out- we're all red commies up&nbsp;here.(I'm a Markcyst myself, but most are Meowists, with a few (John) Lennonists) </P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Willy Parsons</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? : As usual the Padman is at the...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=22">doug</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17/October/2004 at 8:18pm<br /><br />As usual the Padman is at the top of his game.&nbsp; Who can dispute that SGK??<IMG style="CURSOR: pointer" &#111;nclick="AddSmileyIc&#111;n'smileys/guitar.gif'" alt=Guitar src="http://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/guitar.gif" border="0">]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Is Bush Finished? :  Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=63">PadMan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 668<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17/October/2004 at 8:04pm<br /><br /><strong>&nbsp;</strong><P align=left>Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 911</P><P align=left><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2>1. The Gore “victory” rally isn’t celebrating a Florida win. It</P><P align=left>was held before the polls had even opened.</P><P align=left>2. Like all the other networks, Fox mistakenly said that Gore</P><P align=left>had won in Florida. The first network to retract the Florida</P><P align=left>mistake was CBS, not Fox.</P><P align=left>3. A 6-month study by a consortium of major newspapers</P><P align=left>shows that Bush would have won the Florida recount under</P><P align=left>any of the terms which Gore sought in his lawsuits.</P><P align=left>4. Investigation by the </FONT><I><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Italic size=2>Palm Beach Post </I></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2>and others shows</P><P align=left>that race was not a reason why election officials mistakenly</P><P align=left>disqualified some voters because they were incorrectly</P><P align=left>thought to have felony convictions.</P><P align=left>5. Bush’s Presidency before 9/11 was not in serious trouble.</P><P align=left>No commentator said that he looked like a lame-duck president.</P><P align=left>Congress had passed his #1 bill (the tax cut) and was</P><P align=left>on the way to passing his #2 bill (the education bill). The</P><P align=left>scene at the end of the movie in which Bush tells a rich audience</P><P align=left>“I call you my base,” was from an October 2000 charity</P><P align=left>fund-raiser. Both Gore and Bush spoke at the fund-raiser</P><P align=left>and, as is the custom at the fund-raiser, made fun of themselves.</P><P align=left>6. “In his first eight months in office before September</P><P align=left>11th, George W. Bush was on vacation, according to the</P><P align=left>Washington Post, forty-two percent of the time.” As the</P><P align=left>Washington Post reported, the figure includes weekends, and</P><P align=left>includes time in “vacation locations” such as Camp David,</P><P align=left>where Bush was working—as when he met with Tony Blair.</P><P align=left>7. In the golf course scene (about the middle of the movie),</P><P align=left>Bush had just heard about a terrorist attack on Israel. He</P><P align=left>called the press together to make a quick statement condemning</P><P align=left>the terrorism against Israel. He was not speaking</P><P align=left>about attacks on the United States.</P><P align=left>8. There is no evidence that Bush did not read the Aug. 6,</P><P align=left>2001 Presidential Daily Briefing about al Qaeda.</P><P align=left>9. He never claimed that the title’s “vagueness” was an</P><P align=left>excuse for not reading it.</P><P align=left>10. The Briefing did not say “said that Osama bin Laden was</P><P align=left>planning to attack America by hijacking airplanes.” It said</P><P align=left>that the FBI has “not been able to corroborate” such a threat.</P><P align=left>11. The Saudis left the U.S. only after air travel was opened</P><P align=left>for the general public.</P><P align=left>12. According to Richard Clarke and the September 11</P><P align=left>Commission, Clarke personally approved the Saudi departures,</P><P align=left>and the decision went no higher in the chain of command.</P><P align=left>13. Moore lied to a TV reporter in claiming that </FONT><I><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Italic size=2>Fahrenheit</P></I></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2><P align=left>discloses Clarke’s decision to the audience. Clarke called the</P><P align=left>Saudi exit material in </FONT><I><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Italic size=2>Fahrenheit </I></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2>a “mistake” by Moore.</P><P align=left>14. Contrary to what </FONT><I><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Italic size=2>Fahrenheit </I></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2>claims, the September 11</P><P align=left>Commission found that many Saudis were asked “detailed</P><P align=left>questions” before being allowed to leave.</P><P align=left>15. James Bath did not invest bin Laden family money</P><P align=left>in Bush’s energy company Arbusto. He invested his own</P><P align=left>money.</P></FONT><B><FONT face=FuturaBT-Bold><P align=left>Page 2</P></B></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2><P align=left>16. Bath’s name was blacked-out from an Alabama National</P><P align=left>Guard record released by the White House—as required by</P><P align=left>federal law, which prohibits the disclosure of health-related</P><P align=left>personal information.</P><P align=left>17. Prince Bandar has way too much influence on the U.S.</P><P align=left>government, as </FONT><I><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Italic size=2>Fahrenheit </I></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2>shows, but American coddling of</P><P align=left>the Saudi tyranny is a long-standing bi-partisan tradition, not</P><P align=left>a Bush invention.</P><P align=left>18. Harken Energy: Bush only sold the stock after company</P><P align=left>lawyers told him it was OK.</P><P align=left>19. The reason that Bush “beat the rap” was because there</P><P align=left>was no evidence he had engaged in insider trading.</P><P align=left>20. The Carlyle Group is not a Bush playground. Many Bush</P><P align=left>opponents are investors, including George Soros.</P><P align=left>21. The Bush administration dealt Carlyle a huge financial</P><P align=left>blow by canceling the Crusader missile, one of the few weapons</P><P align=left>cancellations in the Bush administration.</P><P align=left>22. The bin Ladens dropped out of Carlyle before the stock</P><P align=left>sale. Of the 1.4 billion that the Saudis invested in companies</P><P align=left>with Bush connections, the vast majority of the money was</P><P align=left>invested in Carlyle before George H.W. Bush joined the firm.</P><P align=left>23. Craig Unger claims that the Saudis have $860 billion</P><P align=left>invested in the U.S. The figure appears in his book </FONT><I><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Italic size=2>House of</P><P align=left>Bush, House of Saud</I></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2>, but neither of Unger’s cited sources</P><P align=left>support such a large figure.</P><P align=left>24. Moore claims that the Saudis “own 7% of America.”</P><P align=left>But even if you believe Unger’s fictitious $860 billion figure,</P><P align=left>the Saudis own only about 7% of total foreign investment</P><P align=left>in America, which is over 10 trillion dollars. Only if all of</P><P align=left>America were owned by foreigners could Moore’s claim be</P><P align=left>correct.</P><P align=left>25. The Saudi embassy does not receive special protection.</P><P align=left>It is not the only foreign embassy which is guarded by the</P><P align=left>U.S. Secret Service. An international treaty signed by the</P><P align=left>U.S. requires the U.S. to protect any embassy which asks for</P><P align=left>protection.</P><P align=left>26. Moore’s insinuation that Bush runs U.S. foreign policy</P><P align=left>according to Saudi instructions is contradicted by the</P><P align=left>Afghanistan invasion (which toppled the Taliban regime</P><P align=left>which the Saudis strongly supported), and by the Iraq War</P><P align=left>(which the Saudis opposed, in part because Iraqi oil will</P><P align=left>compete with Saudi oil).</P><P align=left>27. As Governor of Texas, Bush never met with Taliban representatives.</P><P align=left>28. The proposed Unocal pipeline was supported by the</P><P align=left>Clinton administration, but Unocal abandoned the pipeline</P><P align=left>idea in 1998.</P><P align=left>29. The new Afghani government has signed a protocol to</P><P align=left>build a pipeline, but it is an entirely different pipeline, in a</P><P align=left>location hundreds of miles distant from the Unocal proposal.</P><P align=left>30. Construction has not begun on the new pipeline.</P><P align=left>Although Moore claims that “Enron stood to benefit” from</P><P align=left>the pipeline, Enron has never had any participation in either</P><P align=left>pipeline.</P><P align=left>31. The Bush administration did not “welcome” Taliban diplomats</P><P align=left>in March 2001, but instead condemned them for failing</P><P align=left>to hand over Osama bin Laden.</P><P align=left>32. Despite Moore’s pose in the movie, he opposed the</P><P align=left>Afghanistan War, and—in December 2002—claimed that</P><P align=left>Osama bin Laden might be innocent.</P><P align=left>33. In claiming that the Afghanistan invasion was a mere</P><P align=left>ruse to protect the Saudis, Moore omits the results of liberation</P><P align=left>in Afghanistan: destruction of al Qaeda training camps,</P><P align=left>the creation of free elections, more freedom for women, and</P><P align=left>the homecoming of 1.5 million refugees from the Taliban.</P><P align=left></FONT><FONT face=Dutch801BT-Roman size=2>&nbsp;</P></FONT>]]>
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