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I got the tall boy wand....14" wide 2" of fun...
 
but the lips didn't work
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6'-2" Tall and 230 lbs should be big enough to handle it Steamer.
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got my big boy 2" pmf wands today....BIG DIFFERENCE WOW
 
going 2" all the way is cool...but heavy....I also go free lips...but they don't work....I need a glide...
 
you got to have big hands to hold a 2" wand....little handed men need not apply
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Nope.

All it will take to run the Beastmaster portable or the pimped Ninja machines is 2 - 15 amp circuits, as are commonly found in US cities. We also have a 230 volt Beastmaster portable for the European market as well, but that will not debut till sometime in the second half of 2007. Got to go thru the EU certification process which is not easy.
    
    

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All you need is a 20,000 Watt generator to run it? or a 50hp Nissian?Guitar
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Splash: Our new Beastmaster portable, coming out next Spring, is equipped with the 2" hose as standard equipment cause it has 4 vacuum motors. If we advertised that the same way everyone else does by adding the 100 cfm on open flow from each motor, we would call it a 400 cfm machine. That is the strongest you can get anywhere. But if you measure it's cfm with the wand on the carpet, it will be about 100 cfm. That still is going to make it 3X more than a standard Ninja(2 -2 stages) that tests out around 30 to 35 cfms in use.That will also exceed the cfms available from most of the 3 vac motor machines being sold today as well, since none of them can get much more than 60 cfms in stock form when tested under use conditions as well.

Possible exception to this is the Scorpion, a 230 volt machine sold in the UK. In fairness to Ed Valentine, I will not include this in my preceding statement, because I have not tested it, and it may very well be more powerful than other 3 vac motor machines that are on 110 volt power. But I would say that the Beastmaster and the Scorpion will be the 2 strongest portables that money can buy next year.

Unfortunatly, the Beastmaster portable will not be sold in Canada because of the difficulty in any machine being sold that has 2 cords on it getting CSA certifation. But at least the USA market will get it.


NEW LOWER PRICED HYPER BOX COMING SOON:

There is some good news for Canadian Cleaners however.
Next year we are going to offer a vacuum booster for Ninja owners called the Hyperbox. It will take your stock machine with 2 vac motors and turn it into a 4 vac monster portable almost as powerful as the larger Beastmaster. We will do this in the USA as well after it is first offered in Canada. The first distributor to offer this will be located in the GTA. We will be selling this from our site as well.

Price will only be $599 Cdn,an unheard of price for a device that basically will come close to doubling the vacuum power of most Ninja machines, and a fraction of the price that other boosters cost.

Stay Tuned!
    
    
    
    
    
    

Edited by Superglide Ken - 14/December/2006 at 4:41pm
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SOME portables now come equip with 2"
but I don't think ninja does.
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Originally posted by nightrider nightrider wrote:

Kenny is 100% right on the money..............he knows his stuff. Try connecting a 5 or 6 inch kitchen hood ventilation pipe on your truckmount or porty...............and see what happens.................you need one hell of a blower to handle 3" or more. Maybe my 6.9 Roots can do it but only on a single wand operation.
 

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I will say that there is some improvement to be gained with 2.5" hose on the big blower machines like Jack has. The 68 blower he has is capable of over 700 cfm at high lift.Improve the flow by going with the bigger hose would increase suction for him, but I doubt if the wand could be used without a glide on it.

Likewise, people that have #47, #56, and #59 blowers would all see improvement in flow as well, as long as the wands had glides on them to allow flow rates to exceed 200 cfms at the WCI. My Cleanco with the 47 blower in it was able to move the cfm up from 247 cfms to 262 cfms just by changing the first 50 ft to 2.5" hose.That is running 2" hose direct connected to a titanium wand with Superglide on it.

That said, those running #3.2, #36, or #45 blowers with 1.5" tubed wands with 25 ft whip hoses will not see the 15 or more cfm increase the bigger blower units will see.

But that will not stop me from selling you this hose if you want it. I sell mine for $159US with delivery included if you live in the USA. I figure if you want to buy after I have warned you that it may not increase the performance as much as some tell you it will, is your God given right. Who am I to say no?
     

BTW, any Canadians wanting this hose in Canada can get it too, but brokerage, shipping, and exchange will push the price up to $250 Cdn plus tax(gst)
    

Edited by Superglide Ken - 13/December/2006 at 2:22pm
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Originally posted by dennis_is_ok dennis_is_ok wrote:

so then is 1" hose better??? how about 0.5" or 0.75"

really then what is the ultimate hose?


Originally posted by Superglide Ken Superglide Ken wrote:

For machines that only have vacs in series and do not need more than 25 ft of hose, 1.25" hose is better. The simple fact is most of these machines do not generate more than 30 cfm when the wand is one the floor. 1.25" hose can flow near 200 cfms. But since 1.5" hose costs less per foot, most manufacturers give you that one anyway.
    

    





Dennis: The ultimate hose is the one that best suits what you want to use it for. For machines that operate with less than 50cfms in use conditions and need to go no more than 25 ft, that hose size is 1.25". Manufacturers of the built in vacuums know this , and that is why they equip their systems with this diameter of hose. They have done all the tests. If their equipment worked noticeably better with 1.5" hose compared to the 1.25" hose, that is what they would use.

Frictional lose only becomes noticeable when hose length goes beyond 25 ft or more. That is why the Ninja extractors get 1.5" hose. Manufacturers know that some cleaners will run 50 ft of hose with it. The 1.5" is superior to the 1.25" hose at that length, because with 2 vac motors in series, the power is there to go out that far. But dont ever think that the 30 to 40 cfms that a machine like that uses when working is enough to switch to 2" hose without droping performance. Air only moves thru 2" hose at 1/2 the speed of 1.5" hose, so unless you have a lot of it, you will not benefit from its use.How much airflow do you need to use 2" hose for 50 ft or more? My tests indicate that 60 cfm or more is enough to start to see an improvement. You will never see that from a Ninja unless it has been heavily modified into a 3 or 4 vac machine.
    
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so then is 1" hose better??? how about 0.5" or 0.75"

really then what is the ultimate hose?


Originally posted by Superglide Ken Superglide Ken wrote:

For machines that only have vacs in series and do not need more than 25 ft of hose, 1.25" hose is better. The simple fact is most of these machines do not generate more than 30 cfm when the wand is one the floor. 1.25" hose can flow near 200 cfms. But since 1.5" hose costs less per foot, most manufacturers give you that one anyway.
    

    
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Originally posted by cmaster cmaster wrote:

We'll see after I try it. Theory and reality are 2 different worlds








If theory has been proven to be fact, as this has, it is no longer just theory. it IS REALITY.Sceptics that don't want to face reality, always take the position that the topic in discussion is in doubt, so as to give the appearence that they just might know what they are talking about, which sadly is usually not the case either.
    
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2 inch hoses ROCK,ROCK,ROCK!!!!
 
 
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Edited by kane - 13/December/2006 at 4:45am
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Kenny is 100% right on the money..............he knows his stuff. Try connecting a 5 or 6 inch kitchen hood ventilation pipe on your truckmount or porty...............and see what happens.................you need one hell of a blower to handle 3" or more. Maybe my 6.9 Roots can do it but only on a single wand operation.
 
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