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Originally posted by We Dry We Dry wrote:

We offer the MRT mould course....Do you have that one?

Mr. We Dry:  I am a CR and have AMRT ASD  and one or two others.Guitar

 

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Is there somthing you want to add Brian?
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Originally posted by We Dry We Dry wrote:

Hey Ted......Its We Dry just getting back to you.....

Here we go!

Does flood work simply mean sucking up water and leaving with your fee? = NO WAY........I wish it was that easy... ........There are many things involved in water damage mitigation..........Insurance, Liability, Equipment, Storage facilities and the biggest issue is future law suites against if you provide moisture control services and they are improper.

1. Where do we go from here? Everyone needs to get educated, not saying that we donít know everything but we all learn everyday new and better things. And better ways of providing our services. Education is the #1 asset you can have to your firm. With education you can prove what youíre doing and why youíre doing it. That is usually the biggest challenge that most water mitigation firms are faced with.

2. Where are the learning institutions? Letís start in Canada. There are two...One being in Barrie Ontario and the other in Hamilton Ontario which is my own school. Both schools have ASD, WRT, AMRT and many other courses to offer..Al courses are certified by the IICRC and some by the ASCR Foundation.....You choose, but most insurance institutes only will accept the IICRC as a certification.

3. What's an average investment? This is a broad statement....I donít know what is involved...Just water or fire?...If its flood you would need the essentials like, 25 Airmovers @ an average @ $375.00 = $9375.00....5 LGR dehumidifiers @ $2400.00 = $12,000.00.....Truck @ $700.00 per month with a leasing option @ 12 months = $8400.00......Extraction unit....Ted I donít know how much these are......Just add it in here if anyone knows....We are already at $30K....Thatís with just some equipment and a truck not with the extractor. We are not even including the cost of the extraction tools... There many more to include, insurance/liability, employees to perform this services, training in water damage mitigation.......Iím sure there are more this is a quick brief rundown of some!

4. Can I rent equipment? Equipment can be rented from Ted Harding, CDT International CAT and Munters. All provide equipment nationally and globally... Your best bet is renting through Ted Harding.....

5. Do I have legal responsibilities?  Well...YES. Yes it sucks but we all do......What if "we" think we dryed Mr. Ted Hardingís house and then 3 moths later he is calling back with a microbial issue... We are most likely liable for this...and it will only be covered by our own pockets. You do not want your insurance provider knowing that we have contaminated  Ted's entire house with mould spores........ So just a quick answer...we are all liable in every project we go in.

6. How do I find moisture if I can't see it? Informed cameras work well if you know how to utilize them. There only read temperature differentials........Non invasive moisture meters and an instrument called a boroscope......Your can get a boroscope that has a camera so you can see it on a small TV.....

7. What's the difference between mould and mildew? Mould grows on most building materials and mildew grows on plants.....

8. Is there a wholesale company that I can turn my flood work over to and receive commissions? Ted thatís what I provide....I do work for may contractors and they basically have me perform there water mitigation services and they invoice the insurance firms.

9. What are the health issues? Mould Mould and More mould...... ....You can get beat up with this very quickly.....Cross contamination in houses are a big topic. If you donít dry and contain properly then there are MANY health issues.

10. Do I need to be registered with any organization? Get registered with the IICRC and some IAQA organizations... Indoor air quality associations....

11. Is it difficult to get insurance companies to do business with a small carpet cleaner? Its hard to get insurance to use large national firms some times...So yes...And all you can do is keep trying and trying!

12. Can I be sued for doing a job incorrectly? YES YES YES..... If the insurance firm calls in another contractor and they prove that it was done incorrectly then they have a legit case!

Hope this helps.......




 

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WE Dry:  I think your advice on what one  needs to get into the Water Damage business is an OVER KILL.  Unless you rent equipment.  Guitar
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Ooooops!  How far out will you folks go to rent out equipment (KK)

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We rent equipment all over Canada and the USA....We have equipment in trucks ready 24/7.....
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Its not overkill...Its the facts!
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In the real world. Who's facts?  Who says you need this much equipment to start out?  Is this your opinion?  Inquireing minds would like to know?Guitar
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Ted asked me a question and I answerd him with a basic answer.

You should have enough equipment to handle 5 losses at any given time...

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Are you telling me for every LGR there is a ratio of 5 airmovers?  What are you drying?  I like your answer because some years ago the ratio was 2 airmovers per drieaze 50.  Do you remember when that was?  I for one don't think your answer is the least bit accurate running a school or not...  Oh by the way I don't care who asked the question.  It is all the people who read the answer.Guitar
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Hi We Dry: To Determine the amount of air movers needed:     
                              
Standard is one airmover per 10 - 14 linear feet of wall space     
                              
Example 12' x 12' room you have 48 linear feet of wall space       
                              
48 Divided bye 10 = 4.8 units or 5 approx.

Dehumidifier EG.                                                   
              
Ceiling is 12' High 3600SF x 12= 43,200CF        &nbs p;         &nbs p;  
                              
Class 2 loss using a LGR 43,200CF Divided bye 50CF= 864 Pints
                                                   
864 Divided bye MFG CFM Rating of Dehumidifier in this case it is
320CFM =2.7 Units = 3 Units

This is in the WRT ASD courses

What is your thoughts Doug How about your thoughts TGIF WE Dry or
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Originally posted by Brian Strawn Brian Strawn wrote:

Hi We Dry: To Determine the amount of air movers needed:     
                              
Standard is one airmover per 10 - 14 linear feet of wall space     
                              
Example 12' x 12' room you have 48 linear feet of wall space       
                              
48 Divided bye 10 = 4.8 units or 5 approx.

Dehumidifier EG.         &nb sp;         &nb sp;                               
              
Ceiling is 12' High 3600SF x 12= 43,200CF        & ;nbs p;         & ;nbs p;  
                              
Class 2 loss using a LGR 43,200CF Divided bye 50CF= 864 Pints
                                                    
864 Divided bye MFG CFM Rating of Dehumidifier in this case it is
320CFM =2.7 Units = 3 Units

This is in the WRT ASD courses

What is your thoughts Doug How about your thoughts TGIF WE Dry or
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Brian:  First of all lets talk the real world.  Compare drying costs to replacement?  Is the room you are talking on the main floor?  Which will be wood right?  If on concrete we are talking a different story.  Unfortunately everyone thinks a manuals or guide lines are the gospil, at least those who know  no more than what is written. Think again because every job is different and if you don't know what the hell you are doing weather you passed a test or not you are going to get yourself in deep s**t. 5 airmovers and 3 LGRs in one 12 X 12 room it would be cheaper to R & R.  Unless your equipment is free.Guitar
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Brian - your right that seems to be how the insurance industry wants us to calculate.  Its a beautiful thing.  They want us to be ASD certified and WRT certified to be on their preffered list.  Now we can justify the equipment on the job with the education to back us up.  We cannot completly depend on certification or education on every job, sometimes job experience is the key to completing a job properly.  It sounds like you know what your talking about.  How long has our other panelists been at this?  I see some old and some new school in the panel.  I myself like to use a bit of both old and new.

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