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    Posted: 04/March/2008 at 12:11pm
Well guys, I just came back from the IICRC Carpet Cleaning certification class.
During the class we compared various methods of cleaning, marking each on things like ease of use, performance,set up cost, ongoing expence,customer perception etc etc.We then tested all of the different machines, so that all the operators had a chance to try them.We used encap, bonnet, hwe both truck and porty, shampoo, dry foam and dam.

While the scores were not scientific, they do show that bonnet is a viable means of cleaning...

the scores were

bonnett    31
dam         22
Shampoo  26
dry foam   25
encap       30
hwe          29

I know all the hwe guys will scream, but the main reason it scored lower was set up cost and ongoing expence.But what was more suprising, especially as I went on the course with the idea of moving to hwe, is that on a large dirty carpeted surface, that was split into different sections, the bonnet out cleaned them all...

I am posting this on the bonnet and truck mount pages, I hope we can get a fair reaction from both sides

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I offer TM HWE and Dryfoam/Shampoo to my clients. I prefer the TM HWE, you cant beat the noise that a TM/HWE will bring to a cleaning. By noise I mean excitement.  By excitement I mean interested clients who are already sold on the cleaning you offer.  Big equipment, impressive looking and sounding.  I often think that a good product is supposed to sell itself.  Truckmounted cleaning sells itself. 

I started in this industry having to sell Shampoo cleaning.  Sell Sell Sell.  You have to spend alot of time and effort getting most people to believe in your product.  The product does work, very well for that matter.  However the product does not sell itself.  Also I will say that I hate dragging in that buffer into a small house with tiny halls and lots of stairs. 

Nice Website by the way BubbleClap


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Also "proven" is a bit strong of a word for the title of this post.  Considering its based on a few peoples opinion from an IICRC certification class. 

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Hi Fuzzsucker...

Sorry...Proven is a strong word, but I was hoping to get some discussion going.I agree totall with everything you said about the truck-mount,.I have been looking at them for a few months now, and customer perception was one of the things the tm scored well on.But we both know that its not the equiptment that cleans carpets, its the person, and there are lots of people using expensive equipment that do a horrible job, and there are guys with rugdoctors who care and are great.But, the ones who make the money, in the long run, are the ones that show their worth and their skill.I think I have decided on a king cobra 1200 pro, and a rotary drimaster.Hooked up to an on truck generator the pro should do a great job as a truck mount in disguise, and on apartments and offices, its mobility scores well.

As for the website, thanks, but thats a temporary site..the new one is looking like it will be tvery nice!!
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I am surprised more people haven't responded in this topic.

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Me too....seems perceptions are sacred...
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We can argue about this forever, but we all know that the operator plays a big role in the resultsBig%20smile

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I agree...guess I was just trying to stir things up a bit...will take my trouble elsewhereClown
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While the set up and operation cost of a TM may be significantly higher than a bonnet, the TM will always be more profitable because it will result is referrals and repeat business. Plus you can do flood restoration.. which is BIG BUCKS and upholstery, drapery, tile etc. etc. etc.

So the equation is flawed.
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Atlantis is right TM is a very versatile machine, I know guys using them for car detailing/ washing, pressure washing, air duct, tile and grout.  So if you look at your selection above name another method that will do all this.  Then if you look at all the revenue that it will generate from so many different services, most paying better then cleaning carpet, you will be way ahead.  Customers do like the noise I have two truck mounts one with a 3.2 blower and one with a 5.9 blower very loud.  I was afraid customers would complain about the noise but just the opposite they say that sound powerful. I also rarely have people that would come up to my smaller TM, but with the big TM it is almost a daily experience.  Most look out there windows then as I am cleaning up they come over and start talking and asking questions.  The investment is a though one though especial now with the economy slowing down.  
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Ok so I have just bought a king cobra 1200.

212 heat, 150-1200 psi, 3 stage vac dual hard surface/carpet cleaning machine.

I can clean ANYTHING a truck mount can.Carpets are dry as I am leaving, I can do car upholstery, furniture and a 30 story high rise apartment building.

I use no gas, as it runs on electricity, when it needs serviced I can swap it out for another machine without losing any work, and it makes LOADS of noise.

PLUS when I tell my customers that its not the song its the singer, when I tell them that my machine has the CRI Gold Standard, and when I tell them that truck mounts lose 1 degree of heat and one pound of pressure for every ft of hose,they usually get the picture.

AND, i still have my bonnet machine sitting ready for those quicky jobs.

No doubt the truck mount is handy, and powerful,and it makes lots of noise and uses lots of gas, but as I said before, its not the song, its the singer.Cool
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Oh, I forgot...pressure washing...easy,air duct cleaning...easy.

Only down fall is the setup time, but thats getting shorter every time we use it, and the fact that we can do EVERY job, closed doors, apartment etc makes it worth while.
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I have the same basic setup, except I'm using a Ninja with an RX-20. I have a dual speed buffer for enacap and pre-scrubbing tile&grout. In fact, the StoneTech guy I took a class from suggested pre-scrubbing with a buffer and then extracting at 500 psi. I still think I'd prefer 1000 psi, but the man said 500.

It's been 2.5 years, and I'm ready to upgrade to a tm. In the beginning, having to spend more time didn't bother me, because business was light enough that I could spare the extra time. As my time becomes more valuable, the tm looks better and better. We've been asking our regular customers if they would be more impressed if we used a truckmount. Most say they only care about results, but some have liked the idea of us upgrading to a more robust system. Recently, someone was extremely disappointed that we didn't have a truckmount--his wife was supposed to make sure we had one, but I guess she failed that task. We offered to clean a sample area with no obligation. He liked what he saw and told us to go ahead with the work. By the time we left, his mood was great and he was telling us he'd be using our services twice a year. So sure, you can dazzle customers with your portable system, but sometimes it takes extra convincing, and that gets a little old.
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