Speaking of fabric softeners.......

Jack,

When i read your post it sounds to me like you are coming on board with me. If all of these toxins are around us in many different forms then it makes sense to me that we minimize our exposure and limit our use of them to where they are needed.

As to the specifics of your comments

i agree with your top three culprits

I didn't know that Dawn is the top dishwasher soap but I'm surprised to see it as Number 1 but certainly might be true

I doubt Tide has lye in it. The biggest problem with laundry detergents has been the use of phosphates but they are now limited by law as to the percentage content

I didn'y know that DEET causes seizures in children I do know that it is recommended that any children's DEET product should be no higher than 8%. The adult version I think is up around 20%. makes sense to me that if bugs don't like this stuff for whatever reason it can't be very good for us.

Inert ingredients in our products are not trade secrets and may or may not be dangerous.

The whole point to all of this is that if in fact we are surrounded by chemistry and lots of bad stuff from different sources then as stated above limiting our exposure to them surely can't be a bad thing

Jim , now you sound like that guy who keep saying someone had weapons of mass destruction out there and we have to rid the world of them.

So off he went, loaded up his trucks with weapons of mass destruction , employeed lots of sales reps ( soldiers) to get the word out and start their crusade.

We all know the outcome of that story, just as we can forsee the outcome of your crusade.

My points all along is not that I don't believe Butyl is dangerous, my reasoning was the fact thet we live and breath chemicals all day, we eat them, we crap them, some taste good, some bad, some smell, some don't, we got used to them, our bodies even have built an immunity to all of them in which we were exposed to in small doses............My Point is as follows

ONLY THE DOSE MAKES THE POISON

ONLY POISON DOES THE DOSE MAKE

DOSE = POISON

I can take apple seeds, crush them and kill you with the cyanide that they produce ( dose makes the poison)

I can do the same with the pit of a peach, its leaves and the bark of its tree.( dose makes the poison)

I can kill you with pear seeds, its leaves and its bark as well. ( dose makes the poison)

Tomato stems and its leaves can also kill you  (dose=poison)

Just look at the beauty of the Dieffenbachia plant, the sap is so poisonous even residue left on your fingers after manipulation can kill you should your fingers come into contact with your mouth or tongue.

Please note that these plants are extremely poisonous and should not be ingested in any manner whatsoever. It will cause painful swelling of the mouth and tongue, preventing normal breathing

Jim we can all run, but we can't hide. Chemicals are big business and here to stay, Butyl and all.

ALL THE ABOVE MENTION BY ME JACK PRINCE AKA NIGHTRIDER IS OF MY SOLE OPINION AND DOES NOT REFLECT ON THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS ON THIS BOARD AND IN PARTICULAR THE KLEENKUIP COMPANY AND ALL IT'S EMPLOYEES. INFORMATION STATED IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ONLY AND SHOULD NOT BE USED, TRIED, EXPERIMENTED WITH WITHOUT THE ASSISTANCE OF A BOTANIST OR DEGREED CHEMIST.

                              NIGHTRIDER

Jack

When you come to Toronto - lets have lunch in our plant. The menu is as follows:

Starter: Sodium Hydrosulphite Tartar (can't wash it down with water becasue we might catch on fire) Suggested Wine: Jemconate 1298

Entree: Sodium Zylene Sulphonate Quiche: (a little foamy but very smooth) mixed in with cream Chardonnay Triton X40. Suggested Wine: Versene 100

Dessert: Melange of Hamposil c-30. PVP-K15 and tetra Potassium Pyrophosphate. Suggested Wine: Gantrez A119

All of the above will be served on a bed of Dieffenbachia leaves

Lunch starts at 12:00 - Normallly i would charge $21.50 but for all out of towners it is only $16.95. GST and tip not included

What are you two guys, ( Jim & Don ) a tag team out to get me or something, should I bring a gun when I go to Toronto, or just my appetite.

                                Nightrider

Jim, I thought you were Jim darling the Green Clean Giant of the industry, doesn't matter anyway. I'll tell you what, when I see you we'll get all the above chemicals, I will mix up a batch and drink it all, on camera and then we'll post the film here on Kleenkuip for all to see, don't forget the Butyl.

ONLY THE DOSE MAKES THE POISON

                            NIGHTRIDER