Currently using a buffer with bonnet pads for dry cleaning. Which is better ?? OP ? Activator? or Cimex .

Looking to upgrade to one of these need something good for olefin carpet. Want to make the right decision the first time. Currently using green and white pads. Someone also said there is another better stripe pad?????

DOnt have a "ACtivator" or the Cimex. BUt I do have a CCS Commercial Breeze OP .           ;           ;           ;           ;           ;           ;           ;           ;         

I started out with the Rotary and can definately say for a fact that OP provides more aggitation (due to the oscillation), is faster, and cleans better overall (But, I still use HWE for most of my Resi.). Also, Op is great for smaller Comm. jobs where the truckmount cant reach (I rather OP it than use a porty).

To my understanding, The cimex is great for BIG commercial jobs.

Maybe Ted will chime in on behalf of the Activator and let us in on the specs. and the productivity capability.

BTW, If you dont already know. You can go to http://www.ccsop.com - www.ccsop.com  to learn more about OP.

77748,

Go to the bottom of any page on this forum and click the Encap link for a Cimex Encap video.

Yes it gives the agitation like the Activator but uses a fiber pad as opposed to a cotton pad. In my estimation offers more agitation and much faster productivity.

Most people can't get their head around the fact that it does not extract. At this point you must understand Encapsulation. Seems it can't be explained only enjoyed.

Especially the profits.

Let me see if I got this right!

Release it is your chemical and the punch can be used as a prespray if heavily soiled.

From what I see in the video the OP looks like it would pickup some serious traffic stains except it looks like alot more work with the terry towels. Need to find out more about the Cinemax and Activator I will say this they look impressive. I also wonder how they would work on residential high traffic areas . And If I am right when I am using a tm those traffic areas left behind are dirt. This new system looks like you are getting some serious scrubbing but the Tms have heat. Need to study more. Thanks for the info Carpetologist

Yes...But with the Cimex you can do light-moderatly soiled I heard. Because the encap crystals can only hold so much (therefore good vacuuming is also essential).

But at least with a OP machine..You can use cotton pads to absorb alot of the soil instead of just scrubbing it ala Cimex.

I still use my TM waaaay more compared to OP.

If the carpet was especially bad...I would combined both HWE+OP. f you use both, The result usually turns out fairly good.

Old School

As I have learned you receive the ultimate carpet cleaning by having:

• Heat
• Mechanical Action
• Chemicals
• Dwell Time
• High Pressure
• High Suction

Not all systems can offer you all of the above attributes. Truckmounts with RX-20, Rotovac etc., seems to come the closest and yet 90% of truckmount cleaners leave out the mechanical action buy using hand wands only.

It seems that in the interest of speed we have given up serious mechanical action. Think of it as laundry. Nothing really happens until the wheel starts turning.

With OP and Cimex you are mechanically positioning all the fibers in a multitude of directions very rapidly. (In simple terms you are mechanically cleaning all sides of the fiber). This type of action does not take place with a standard rotary machine or wands.

Now where does all this released soil go?

For the answer you must understand Encapsulation Chemistry. To some it appears as an illusion. But seeing is believing.

For best results on your traffic areas use Steam Extraction. Then OP with Pad or Encap (or both). Preferably using an Encap product with Hydrogen Peroxide especially on lights and whites. This will allow a mild brightening and elevate any yellowing or browning that may take place from possible over-wetting.

You would think the op would out clean them based on the terry towel agitation. Hey padman have ou used the Activator or Cimex. Has anyone had a chnace to try several of these and come up with an conclusion.

I want something that works want the best not second best.

Is it the terry towel ? Is it the Cimex or Activator or anything else.

Need to find something for commercial that works on residential that can clean the hell out of olefin.

Sounds like CCS Commercial Breeze is what your looking for.

Commercial breeze is faster than the reg conqueror. The brute is recommended for large commercial areas (because its too damn heavy, plus the tank would prevent you from gettin under desks and such). Therefore,  The Breeze would be the most logical choice.

They also sell a stair tool called the STepson for stairs. Ive just receieved mines and only played with it a couple of times.  Seems good so far.

Update: I just asked JOhn Guerkink about the difference between the Conqueror and the Activator. He said that the Activator is the same as the Hruby (which is slower).

So, that means that it cant touch the commercial breeze.

Ninja-wand,

We do not promote http://www.kleenkuip.com/products/the_Activator.htm - The Activator as a heavy-duty commercial unit. Yes, talk to John Guerkink about his line-up if interested in faster commercial cleaning.

But for even faster commercial cleaning don't count out the Cimex.

We like to sell The Activator for dry cleaning in homes.

77748,

This may sound foolish but in many cases I feel it's true. When cleaning and extremely deep-down soiled traffic area you may be best to clean it with a weaker vacuum or top-clean process.

Reason is when you extract it with brute force you keep bringing deep-down soil to the surface, to the surface, to the surface. There appears no end to soil coming up. You can't stay there forever.

Is this why traffic areas never look clean after extraction?

Damn ! Been doing lots of research Commercial Breeze is able to terry towel clean as well as a commercial type bonnet clean. Bad thing is with the unit, pads, terry towels and there chemicals which there are quite a few totals to 3000 dollars. I like to touch see and feel the unit before forking over that kind of money. Getting it for commercial and there are no sales discounts whatsoever on chems pads unit nothing. I am pretty sure these are Padmans units cmon padman work with us.  

Been a bad March for us in California .

We do not promote http://www.kleenkuip.com/products/the_Activator.htm - The Activator as a heavy-duty commercial unit. Yes, talk to John Guerkink about his line-up if interested in faster commercial cleaning.

But for even faster commercial cleaning don't count out the Cimex.

Thanks Ted, yes we sell the Brute, but what few understand is

VERY FAST on commercial carpets, most of our ex-cimex users say it is

faster plus still gives you the opportunity to bring up the bulk fo the soil

cotton pads, thus giving better results.

The 20" Brute cleans from 1500-5000 square feet an hour and we have

several people that clean at the 5000 square feet an hour CONSISTENTLY

on their larger accounts.

Ok! Whats better the Cimex or the Commercial Breeze!

Is this right Cimex has a plastic tank and cleans with brushes and white buffing pads ?

Commercial breeze you can use cotton pads as well as terry towels right?

Both I believe are close to the same price? You would think that a terry towel would clean with friction better dirt right on the towel with agitation. I do not know the ability to clean with the Cimex especially over the breeze? 

YOu cant compare the Breezeto the Cimex. Cimex is for BIG Commercial and the Breeze is for mostly Resi. (and small Comm.)

But if you were to Compare Brute to the Cimex...That'll be a whole different story (so Ive heard).

Ok what about the cleaning large area or small what is more effective?

They work differently not discussing speed, large or small area. I just want to say hell yeah it cleans. In other words which method (unit) cleans better?

The best way to find out is to post the question on http://www.excellent-supply.com - www.excellent-supply.com   or go to http://academy.ccsop.com/index.php - http://academy.ccsop.com/index.php  and ask your question.

As said the question is what is better in cleaning the Cimex or Commercial Breeze.

Ninja I respect and appreciate your feedback is anyone else out there?