IICRC
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Topic: IICRC
Posted By: Britches
Subject: IICRC
Date Posted: 15/September/2006 at 10:27pm
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Hey there guys....
Just finished me first IICRC class and wow! I didn't know so much goes into carpet cleaning. I took the class while making up my mind about the business. I was the only person in there who has never cleaned a carpet "professionally". The class was OVER sold leaving very little time for hands on work. We basically studied for the test and that was it!
I did however meet a couple of guys (operator/owners) who; by there own standards; make pretty good money (six figs+)
About 40% of the class use portables while the others used the all powerful TM's.
HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS carry IICRC CERTS?
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/September/2006 at 10:33pm
Well.......................................ah, nevermind
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Posted By: HeartlandSteam
Date Posted: 15/September/2006 at 11:41pm
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I cleaned carpet for 5 years before I even toyed with the idea of getting certified
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Posted By: G&M Cleaning
Date Posted: 16/September/2006 at 12:50am
| I was cleaning carpets also before I took the class, it was useful information, but not a hands on class, more informative on types of carpet and to tell what kind of carpet it is etc.....I renewed ny card for a few years and just thought what for.. most customers don't know what IICRC is. Congratulation on taking the class.. |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 16/September/2006 at 1:51pm
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As mentioned on this forum before...
We are the only professional industry who go out on a trial and error basis and practice on hundreds of thousands of dollars of customers carpets then go to school ten years later to learn how we should do it properly.
By that time we have developed pre-conceived ideas and our own set of rules and we disagree with the experts who are doing the up-to-date training. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 16/September/2006 at 5:14pm
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No comment, but I do remember back in the early 70's when everything we did was trial and error, the key was to learn from your mistakes, and that kind of knowledge sticks with you for ever, more so than anything taught in a classroom. ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: Britches
Date Posted: 16/September/2006 at 6:48pm
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I was just taking the class because I was on the fence about getting into this line of work. I learned alot but most of the info I was looking for came from the op/owners who happend to be in the class with me.
I am now looking for a van to get started with....looking for a smaller veh around the size of an Astro. This would allow me to go portable (like I had planned) or to step up to a small TM.
This site has be very helpful to me and I thank you guys for assisting me with this project.
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 16/September/2006 at 7:30pm
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We are also Human....the same humans that have children & learn by trial & error to bring them up with no prior training,............. we are also the same humans that get married to a completely opposite sex with no knowledge of what is to be, ........we even purchase cats and dogs with no reasonable thoughts given other than they look cute as a puppy or kitten.......SO WHY NOT CLEAN PEOPLES CARPETS WITHOUT ANY REAL KNOWLEDGE OR TRAINING.........WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE
NIGHTRIDER
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Posted By: G&M Cleaning
Date Posted: 16/September/2006 at 8:09pm
| It's just my opinion but I was thinking the same thing when looking for a van and I got a full size van good thing I did , you have more room in the ful size van and when you start adding things you might need like chemicals towels vacuum etc.. you will wish you had more room, and if you do get a full size van ,you don't have to look again when your ready for the TM. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/September/2006 at 11:24pm
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I wonder if the first carpet cleaner ever....took the class..LOL ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 12:44am
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GREAT
Another certified carpet cleaner who has NEVER pushed or pulled a friggin wand!!!
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Britches wrote:Posted By: Britches
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 9:46am
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Dennis.... Respectfully speaking..... it’s not rocket science! I took the class as a tool to assist me with the decision to enter the business or not. I have also volunteered my time to TWO companies (owner/operators) as a way to learn the extras. I would think that "professionals" in the business would be pleased that a new operator had taken these steps.
Otherwise….thanks for the info guys…I have decided you are right. I will find a full size van and go from there.
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Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 12:43pm
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At least a certified cleaner knows not to strip the Stainmaster out of a Stainmaster.
At least a certified cleaner knows how to clean an olefin carpet without getting wickback.
At least a certified cleaner knows how to pick up the right spotter.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 12:50pm
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LOL an un certified cleaner can come here... and Lee can help you for free!!!!!!
which I have seen many times myself....
places like this will save an uncertified cleaners life...LOL
you talk like you aint willing to give away free knowledge Lee... when you know you do everyday
 ..with the net a beginner can be a pro in a few short hours of just reading and asking questions ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 12:53pm
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I got all my knowledge from this bored? This is where the people in the know hang out? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 12:56pm
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I call it NET CERTIFIED! ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 1:01pm
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Thanks General Lee.............so what you're saying is that there is only 3 things to know about carpet cleaning.......that seems easy enough
I guess it's like my restaurant......Don't burn the toast,..... put enough spice to mask the smell of rot, &.........dilute the Pepsi with ice cubes
 Now everyone can be a carpet cleaner or a restauranteur
Nightrider
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 2:53pm
Like me
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Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 6:41pm
The ONLY thing a certified cleaner knows is how to pass a multiple guess test after two days of book class and 10 minutes of hands on. Actually not everybody in the hands on actually goes hands on.
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Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 7:24pm
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Holy smokes guys.
I listed those three things because these are the things that I find most old timers learn when they come to a class.
I think the CCT class is too short, it should be three days. I am encouraging Ted to at least have a spot removal class at the end of the first day after the regular class.
And you guys are right, you can learn a ton from this board.
Doug is a friggin encyclopedia on legs and Steamer and Cmaster have seen just about every problem there is to be had.
Deennis is oK seems on track behind his vale of secrecy and Nightrider is the reincarnation of Einstein.
Add to that Ted the Carpetologist and (gulp don't shoot me) Ken Harris and you don't need much more.
If I forgot anyone else excuse me no offense intended, I just don't know you.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 9:06pm
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 17/September/2006 at 10:07pm
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I should have called him to go for a coffee. I'm in the GTA, but only til tomorrow morning. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 18/September/2006 at 1:58am
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General Lee, I'm just taking cheap shots at you , I wish I knew the little of what you forgot about carpet cleaning , and I would be ahead of the game.......I've cleaned all kinds of carpeting since 1985 and have absolutely NO CLUE of what I was doing........when I think back about it I should have taken some kind of course if only for the benefit of my customers
Nightrider
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 18/September/2006 at 3:49am
It's all about CONTROL & GETTING YOUR MONEY.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 18/September/2006 at 12:42pm
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There is no doubt in my mind or is that no mind in my doubt? people in the GTA are lucky to have Mr. Senter to be there for them. Attend his seminars and save everyone alot of trouble. he is worth every cent you pay?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 18/September/2006 at 5:37pm
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lets not get carried away.
he does not give out his best secrets. remember he IS the competition! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 18/September/2006 at 6:53pm
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But I'll bet my last dollar he'll help you if your in a Jam......If he can't be there himself..he'll give you sound information on how to do the job right!
we are human we love spreading knowledge ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 18/September/2006 at 9:13pm
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Dennis ANY of my competitors will tell you I am willing to get them out of a jam.
I believe the more good carpet cleaners there are , the better it is for my business. The less problems there are, the better for all of us.
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 18/September/2006 at 11:13pm
 ........That has to be the most intence statement ever written using so few words........General Lee REALLY knows where his head is at.........while he parades his way among his competitors as though they don't exist, except for his hand that reaches out to them as he pulls them out from the jam of headaches they encounter.......THIS GUY IS LIKE A SUPER HERO
NIGHTRIDER
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/September/2006 at 12:29am
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IT'S A BIRD!!!!!!
IT'S A PLANE!!!!
DA DANA NA! IT'S SUPER LEE!!!!! ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 19/September/2006 at 7:52am
| I wouldnt let any of you dogs near my accounts! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/September/2006 at 9:25am
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/September/2006 at 12:31pm
I can see your point. The last thing you need is one of your accounts seeing just how good their place could look under someone elses guidence? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 19/September/2006 at 2:21pm
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Good one |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/September/2006 at 2:24pm
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ooooooooo low blow doug ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/September/2006 at 3:54pm
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How do you figure?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 20/September/2006 at 10:00am
Actually Doug the last thing I need is for my kids to go hungry.
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Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 20/September/2006 at 10:03am
all kidding aside Lee you did post something in the last couple of months that took my cleaning to another level so for that advice.
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Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 20/September/2006 at 2:21pm
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From the Floorcovering Institute of Ontario Shaw Revises Warranties to Reflect Requirements for CRI Seal of Approval Products & IICRC Certification
Dalton, GA - Following the company's announcement in June of 2005, Shaw has revised its residential carpet warranties to require the use of CRI Seal of Approval products for carpet cleaning supplies and equipment for carpet manufactured after January 1, 2007. Effective January, 2008, the company will also require the use of IICRC (Institute of Inspection, Cleaning and Restoration Certification) Certified Firms for professional cleaning services.
The CRI Seal of Approval Program was established to test and certify the performance of products and equipment used in carpet cleaning. Years of research has shown that about half of the carpet spot removal and cleaning products in the marketplace do not clean any better than water, and may also leave soil-attracting residues. The results of the use of these products have been shown to be a major source of consumer dissatisfaction with carpet.
Whether the consumer elects to have the cleaning performed by a professional cleaning service or with a do-it-yourself system, the equipment must be "certified under the Carpet and Rug Institute's Seal of Approval Program". The additional IICRC wording reads as follows:
"NOTE: Effective January 1, 2008, professional service must be performed by an IICRC (Institute of Inspection, Cleaning and Restoration Certification) certified firm." IICRC Certified Firms must meet several stringent criteria that serve to protect the consumer. The firm must have at least one IICRC Certified Technician on all job sites, must have a business license, must carry both general liability and workers compensation insurance (where required), have an approved consumer complaint policy, and must agree to adhere to the IICRC code of ethics. All these protect the consumer against unscrupulous operators.
The Carpet and Rug Insitute's Seal of Approval program tests and certifies products that meet stringent standards and thus clean effectively, without damage to your carpet". The CRI website ( http://www.carpet-rug.org/ - www.carpet-rug.org ) is listed for reference to these products.
Shaw has also made changes to its popular "Carpet Care" brochure. Under its vacuum cleaner recommendations, the company now advises consumers to make sure their vacuums are certified through the CRI Green Label testing program, again noting the organization's http://www.carpet-rug.org/ - website for details and listings . Under the brochure's "Spot and Spill Removal" section, Shaw recommends its own R2x Stain and Soil Remover (a CRI certified product) or other cleaning products that are listed in the CRI certification program. Finally, under the brochure's hot water extraction recommendations, the requirement of CRI certification for cleaning products is repeated.
"We believe our recommendations and requirements will ultimately help consumers enjoy and appreciate our products more fully," says Carey Mitchell, Shaw's director of technical services. "This information reflects years of carpet cleaning research and testing and provides a firm foundation for proper maintenance that will enhance and extend a carpet's useful life." ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 20/September/2006 at 3:02pm
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NIGHTRIDER
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 20/September/2006 at 3:05pm
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What a joke.....this will never happen...lol what a waste of band width ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 20/September/2006 at 6:35pm
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I just heard that General Motors announced today that as of January 1 2007, you can only put G.M oil in your car, you must have a Delta ( G.M.) radio, G.M floor mats, & only G.M.A.C financing..........OH YEAH........AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO A GARAGE WHERE THE MECHANIC IS G.M CERTIFIED NIGHTRIDER
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 20/September/2006 at 11:03pm
I just sold all my GM's
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 21/September/2006 at 1:37am
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You do realize I was just mocking the post by Carpetologist................
Nightrider
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Posted By: fibro
Date Posted: 23/September/2006 at 9:38pm
| From reading your post Carpetoligist if you have your carpet professionally cleaned it must be done by IICRC firm but any idiot can clean there own carpet without voiding the warrany as long as you use certified equipment? If I am reading this right this makes no sense. By the way the Rug Doctor is considered approved equipment. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:32pm
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What's all the fuss?? I still have some old stainmaster forms from the first time this was tried years ago. You had to keep a record of cleanings and what chems were used and when?? The wheel on the bus goes round and round. This industry does nothing but try to reinvent itself over and over?? round and round we go???? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:35pm
Sounds like the IICRC trying to control the industry again
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:36pm
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And again and again and again?????? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:38pm
How could that happen?
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:40pm
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The same old people with the same old ideas?? No one new? Nothing new?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:42pm
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Time for some new blood. Oh, I forgot, the process for that hasn't been invented yet
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:43pm
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They have already sucked all the blood out of anyone who may have a new vision of the way things should be??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:45pm
And brainwashed or alienated everyone else
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:46pm
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And still manage to find new suckers or I mean certified techs everyday?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 12:48pm
If you have the money for the fees, you're in
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 2:27pm
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see IICRC could sel it all in book form....but who would pay all that money for a book 300 bucks ....lol I guess 39.95 isn't enough...
I've been giving new techs a photo copy of my IICRC book...told them to read it...for free...lol
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 6:20pm
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There ya go Mr.Steamer.....for Free..Ok man.
It's like the Union for CC'ers... Control and Money... Some fat cat running it is laughing all the way to the bank...
What do they know that us guys with many years in the field and different cleaning situations don't?? Tell Me...IICRC MAN!!!
OH YEAH!
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/September/2006 at 8:01pm
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The wind blows free and so does Mr. Steamer??? ------------- Just My opinion |