Blowing Circuits
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Topic: Blowing Circuits
Posted By: peculiar
Subject: Blowing Circuits
Date Posted: 05/October/2006 at 11:18am
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Does anyone in the toronto GTA area have any problems running portable extractors with dual 3 stage vacs?
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Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 05/October/2006 at 12:13pm
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Peculiar;
Unfortunately, your question is too general in nature.
I think this would depend upon many other factors. For example, there are many, many 3 stage vacuum motors that draw a wide aray of amps.....
The pumps must be part of this equation as well, along with other factors such as design (this will determine resistance which relates to total amp draw; low or high)& hook ups.
Some pumps with the same pressure may draw .55 amps, while the other one draws 8 amps.
Good Fortune;
ED Valentine
cross-american.com
Anyways, just something to consider.
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 05/October/2006 at 11:36pm
| I dont live in Canada but my Recoil-2 never blew any circuits with the dual 3-stage vacs. I added another 3-stage and a heater and that's when i picked up a generator.... |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 06/October/2006 at 8:09am
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we have some unique situations in Toronto
for example I have a Rabbit-3 floor machine which was advertised as a bonnet and shampoo machine for carpet....guess what? POP POP POP goes the breakers in Toronto!
And do you think I could return the machine? nope!
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Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 06/October/2006 at 9:12am
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Dennis;
Blowing circuits from extraction machines also happen quite often, here in the States to. "However".........re-read my comments above. And, never discount the word: "design", because just like the word; "service", it doesn't get much attention.....until you need it.
I'll bet your rabbit floor machines surge amps always kicked in under resistance.
However, here is the bottom line to the Gentlemans orgional question:
Are there dual 3 stage machines operating in Toronto successfully over the past decade? ABSOLUTELY. And, I'm sure that our good friend, Ted Harding has sold many!
Good Fortune to all;
Ed Valentine
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Posted By: jackblack
Date Posted: 06/October/2006 at 11:12am
| How many brand new in the box dual 3-stage Ninja's does Ted have in stock today? He's the number one Ninja guy in Ontario. |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 09/October/2006 at 10:44pm
If you purchase a U.S. made machine especially a 2 cord, 2 - 3stage vac system it will create a nightmare for you by continuously blowing fuses.
Many U.S. machines are made to run on 20 amps. We in Canada operate mostly on 15 amps. This machine will also be illegal in Canada since it will not have http://www.csa.ca/Default.asp?language=english - CSA Approval . If you also operate your equipment with long and improper guage extention cords it will also contribute to blowing fuses and will burn your vac motors out prematurely.
 As Ed Valentine indicated there are 3 stage motors and also high-performance 3 stage motors and it's usually the high-performance amp vac motors that cause the fuses to pop.
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peculiar wrote:Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 09/October/2006 at 10:53pm
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LOL
Ted slid right by this one
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Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 10/October/2006 at 8:37am
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Thanks, Ted for making a focus on the fact that "there are different" 3 stage vac's (design).
Our great Canadian friend, Sir Willy Parsons wrote:
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.
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Posted By: magnum
Date Posted: 20/November/2006 at 8:46pm
| Has anyone used a converter from the dryer plug converted to 110 amps and with 2x 20 amp plugs to plug these monster machines into. ???? just curious cuz my son works at an electrical supplier. I,m looking at portables and am looking at solutions to this problem in case I purchase one. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 20/November/2006 at 9:12pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong... Most all Manufacturer's are using the Amatec 116565-13 3-stage. The 116765-13 is the higher perf. and will blow circuits.
magnum PI? -- That will be such a pain in the a@@ moving washers or dryers or stoves to get to the 220.
 Once you do that at a job good luck on repeat. It's that or a generator.. |
Posted By: magnum
Date Posted: 20/November/2006 at 9:23pm
| Good point hey I,m new and this is a great learning experience for me so bear with the questions |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 21/November/2006 at 2:56pm
You could offer a free cleaning behind the stove or dryer! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: thermedix
Date Posted: 22/November/2006 at 10:34pm
2X20 amps=40 amps, a dryer is fused at 30 amps, the wire feeding the dryer is #10awg. therefore 40 amps would over fuse the wire and trip the breaker. The stove(fed with #8awg) is fused at 40 amps and could handle 2X20 amp circuits, however I would make sure the splitting device is csa approved, I have never heard of one unless it`s something someone has cobbled up.
Good Luck! (a genny sounds like the way to go)
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Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 22/November/2006 at 11:02pm
| they are not CSA approved |
Posted By: thermedix
Date Posted: 22/November/2006 at 11:08pm
Would`nt your insurance company love that.....fire started by a non-approved electrical device, don`t think you would have to worry about which machine to purchase next...
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 12:34am
Maybe a truck mount. Like you should have in the first place 
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 6:03am
 with cmaster....
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 6:12am
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portables =
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Posted By: EricValentine
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 4:42pm
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A stove or dryer that is 220 volts and fused at 30 amps can be broken down to two seperate 110 volt circuits at 30 amps for each circuit. |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 4:46pm
| Get a Cimex I have 5 of them they ROCK! |
Posted By: thermedix
Date Posted: 24/November/2006 at 6:18pm
Of course it can, you can also run a dryer off of an extension cord, but it is not legal. If there was ever an electrical problem within the house, your name would come up as "the guy who rigged up a device to my dryer recepacle to run a carpet machine" then the insurance company tracks you down and, if your device is not CSA or (UL in USA) approved, your screwed..
It happens, and in this day were everyone is trying to sue everyone else, why take the chance? If you use approved equipment according to manufacturers specs. the onus is reverted to them, not you.
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Posted By: toolman
Date Posted: 06/April/2007 at 1:21pm
| I have the Sandia sniper 500, and it has a built in circuit tester that after you plug in both plugs, the heat switch will dim to let you know if its safe to run. |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 06/April/2007 at 5:38pm
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on that Sniper
If you are on the same plug the light will not even come on which tells you dont turn the machine on at all LOL good feature. |