Can a portable reach 340"WL with 4 -2 stage vacs??
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Topic: Can a portable reach 340"WL with 4 -2 stage vacs??
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Subject: Can a portable reach 340"WL with 4 -2 stage vacs??
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 4:43am
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Here is my post I send out to any cleaners that ask this question of me from time to time. Rather than type over the same answer hundreds of times to the same question, I now send out the same answer to everyone that asks. It will help you understand this topic better too I hope: In reality, the real lift of any machine that claims a number like this is nowhere near 340"WL. In fact, the number in reality is not much higher than 230" as shown below: The actual lift given by stacking 2 stage motors in real life is a bit better than 65%, but not much better.The numbers I get by actually measuring the results obtained by doing this work out to 76.5%, with each motors output being reduced to 76.5% of the value of the motors contribution of the one that preceeded it. Here is what you get when you add them all up in a series of 4: First motor....................................................................................85"WL.......................85"WL in total Second motor.............................85"WL X76.5%.....................65"WL........................150 WL in total Third motor..................................65"WL X76.5%....................49.73"WL....................199.73WL in total Forth motor.................................49.73"WL X76.5%...............38"WL..........................237.73"WL in total Note that the total water lift obtained by stacking them produces less and less benefit from each additional motor that gets stacked. The 85"WL rating on these motors is fairly typical of the standard 2 stage vacs used throughout the industry. To reach even 300" of lift with these would require a stack of 10 or more, hardly a practical option. The best way to reach 300"WL or more in a stack of 4 motors or less is to use higher power motors like a 3 stage to get there. With an air watt rating of 485 per motor vs the 250 air watts that most 2 stage motors possess, the higher lift number are reached much more easily. Hope this post shows the reader that it is a whole lot easier to talking about making strong vacuum power than actually doing it. Thanks, Ken www.wandglides.com ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 10:23am
If we could only believe you  ------------- 
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 2:10pm
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Nah, what Kenny is doing is telling lies again. Yesterday his machine had 300+ inches of waterlift with only 2-stage vacs. I was laughing really hard, because that's impossible. I've told him for weeks now how to calculate the cfm and watherlift, but he wouldn't listen. Now he's finally tested his bucket of crap and KNOWS what I've been telling hims is true. So what's he to do now that he's been posting here for weeks on end boasting about stats that are impossible???? His solution, of course, is to post and pretend that what he said before never happened, and lecture us using my calculations. Kenny's machine has the lowest cfm on the market. It's a piece of crap. My calculations are finally shown to be true, and Kenny's just now hooking up the motors and figuring out that the machine has to be powered by something other than his imagination. ------------- Ken Harris Nov 08: "This will cause oil to rise to near $100 by the end of November. It stays up there to about the end of February. Better save this so you know who told it to you first." |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 2:17pm
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Think about it. Kenny's boasting about all these goofy sales he's getting. But the actual machines he was selling a week ago don't exist any longer. There are no machines with 6 vacuums, there are no machines with 660 cfm and 590 inches of water lift, there is no machine with 4 2-stage vacuums and 300+ inches of waterlift that has even 1/10 the cfm of a truck mount. His last claim was that the 6 vacuum machine was reaching the 100 limit of units that he would sell, but the machine doesn't exist. All those "lucky" club members he claims to have sold a combined pre-ordered sales of over 100 have all been ripped off. But, of course, we didn't expect Kenny to deliver. ------------- Ken Harris Nov 08: "This will cause oil to rise to near $100 by the end of November. It stays up there to about the end of February. Better save this so you know who told it to you first." |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 2:20pm
Yeah, Kenny, this is what I've been telling you for weeks. Of course, you called me a liar when I first told you. DuH!!! ------------- Ken Harris Nov 08: "This will cause oil to rise to near $100 by the end of November. It stays up there to about the end of February. Better save this so you know who told it to you first." |
Superglide Ken wrote:Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 4:53pm
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This must be a 220 volt unit..6 vacs off 110????
how many cords does it have???? ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 5:08pm
None. It doesn't exist  -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 5:42pm
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Right. It doesn't exist. He claimed he had already sold 50, but now they're off his site and can't be found. He claimed he was the super genius that could make them. He's only shown that he's the super BS.
Now, after nearly a month of telling Kenny the dynamics of how vacuums work in series, and him calling me a liar and an idiot, he posts exactly what I've been telling him, just 1 day after changing his stats.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 5:48pm
He's so freakin delusional. Connections should be interesting  -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 6:08pm
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if he lives ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 6:11pm
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his unit has a reactor attached?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 6:22pm
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I see SGG has some competition on the Red Bored with the Eclipse and it's 340,000 inches of lift? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 6:45pm
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Big Dreams everywhere I guess ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 7:51pm
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sky is the limit ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 19/August/2007 at 10:39pm
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If you can dream it, you can sell it. That's his business plan -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 20/August/2007 at 12:11am
| Look under every rock......................................................................................................and then sell the rock to clean carpet. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 20/August/2007 at 12:15am
Dry Rock Extraction. That must be the latest low moisture method. You heard it here first  -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 20/August/2007 at 7:55am
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In SGG's casr Dry Rot extraction ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 20/August/2007 at 1:14pm
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Nope. You are all wrong. The Titan SVS-4 machine does have 300" of lift to it and it puts out more cfm under working conditions than any other Ninja out there.
The SVS-4 uses 4 vacs in total. The first 2 are 3 stage vacs in series. Then 2 more 2 stage vacs are added on right behind them. That raise the lift up to 300", which is a whole lot better than the stock 220" the stock machine will do. The power Kit I sell to bring your Ninja up to this level contains 2 -2 stage vac motors, mounting brackets for the extra 2 motors, hose connectors for the vacs and electrical connectors to wire it into the electrical system.And the instruction book on how to do this right. Total cost- only $499. A Bargain. The example of what a 4 vac system could do made up entirely of 2 stage vacs was to show that 240" lift was all that system could do, rather than the marketing claim of 340" being made. Now on the cfm front, the simple fact is that a Ninja will not put out more than 30 cfm while cleaning carpet, because the stock vac power is not great enough to overcome the resistance of the wand contacting the carpet while cleaning.Bringing the lift up to 300"WL changes all that. Now the machine will bring in 50 cfms, which is a 60% improvement over it's original cfm number. The rest of the noise from Friendly is just the usual blathering nonsense he is famous for here. It has no basis of fact so is best ignored.
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 20/August/2007 at 8:39pm
I fixed it for you -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 20/August/2007 at 11:59pm
Barfbag Ken, the cfm can't be any higher than a single vac unit. The rpms of each in a series are about the same (slightly less) than a single vac BY ITSELF. A Ninja with 1 vac will be about 100 cfm, and a parallel of 2 will have about 200 cfm. Get real. It's like using a car to pull a load. If we add a car to a chain of cars, together they can pull more than a single car (waterlift). However, chained together they can't go any faster than a single car, no matter how many more cars we chain together (cfm). You're a liar, Ken. And a 100' hose is going to require the Ninja, not your piece of crap. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 21/August/2007 at 12:08am
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He is not. Just ask him -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 21/August/2007 at 8:32pm
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Vornija verses the titan Svgthemkidgesbdls 90000 XLE ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 21/August/2007 at 8:50pm
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Didn't STD invent both? Whichever ne he is selling at the moment will be the winner. According to him, of course -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 21/August/2007 at 9:46pm
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al things being = ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 21/August/2007 at 10:16pm
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 24/August/2007 at 10:21pm
Thought I'd quote Barfbag Kenny before he has a chance to change what he said. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/August/2007 at 10:50pm
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He's too busy changing the specs and prices on his website right now -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 24/August/2007 at 10:57pm
You think he can do that by himself? 
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/August/2007 at 11:32pm
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Ummmmmmmmmmm. No
On the other hand, who's gonna do it for him?  -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/August/2007 at 2:50pm
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I heard PD is his new programmer??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/August/2007 at 10:21pm
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That would be funny. There would be some big changes to his site -------------
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