I think I've decided on a tm.
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Topic: I think I've decided on a tm.
Posted By: cleanerg
Subject: I think I've decided on a tm.
Date Posted: 23/February/2008 at 8:52pm
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Hey all, Thanks again for all the help on the truckmounts. I think my partner have decided on an El Diablo unit. 24 hp. Runs 2 wands. Brand New.
I'm really excited to get that puppy in the van and start cleaning some carpets!! It looks like they are going to get me the entire unit installed, tapped into the gas tank on the diesel van we gave, with 250' of hose, a used reel, and a starter kit of chemicals for about 17k.
The only other thing I am considering is a used El Diablo unit. It's 20 hp, and can only run 1 wand. They want about 14k for that with all the extras I mentioined above. It has about 1000 hours on it. Been used at trade shows and such.
I'm thinking the new one is the way to go. Sound like a fair deal to you gus? Or can I get it cheaper?
Thanks again for all the help. I'm glad I found the forum!!
Mike
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Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 24/February/2008 at 1:16pm
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If your spending 17k and they give you a used reel, smack them in the face, not that a new one is diferent from a used one, but its the principal, your buying new, you deserve it. Also make sure they warranty it for parts and labor. Offer 10,000 on the used diablo if they bite, go for it. Those diablos dont break down very often. I never hear anything bad about them. Good Luck ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: ChemicallyFried
Date Posted: 24/February/2008 at 4:01pm
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reduce your 250 foot hose to 150 to raise your cfm's(suction). Add hose if you have to for a longer job. get a whip hose to ease your pain. get a glide for that wand. ------------- I can remove more spots than you can. |
Posted By: cleanerg
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 10:49am
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Thanks a million for the tips guys.
If I lower it to 150 ft. on the hose. Can I easily add the extra hose lengths myself if it is needed?
I will offer the 10k on the used unit, see where it goes.
I will buy a glide. I'm somewhat confused as to what they do. I'm assuming they "glide" along the carpets easier than without one?
Thanks again for all the help. If you think of anything else that may come up that I could easily miss, being a beginner, please feel free to mention them!
Thanks!
Mike
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 1:09pm
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That is too high a price 17k for a 24hp TM.. Especially air-cooled.. They all have there moments.. Someones El broke down on the ICS bb.. Look around you can find it cheaper.. Two fuels to use it.. Gas and propane.. Hook up hose for just what length you need.. Don't have all 250ft connected like Chemfried said.. |
Posted By: ChemicallyFried
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 7:09pm
Imagine you are receiving oral sex. You achieve a point where she sucks hard and not much happens. She has a lot of lift but not much suction. If she opens her mouth just slightly (The Glide) and air flow restarts, then she has increased the CFMs. Her suction will increase major by just allowing a bit of air to pass by your wand. Thus everyone is happy and the cfms are cruising at a velocity we all like.  ------------- I can remove more spots than you can. |
Posted By: ChemicallyFried
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 7:14pm
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Throw 50 -100 in the back of your van as extra if you need it. In the mean time dont waste 100 feet of ununsed hose and suction on your reel. Add 50 or more feet if you need it......Major increase in CFMs////// ------------- I can remove more spots than you can. |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 7:15pm
Yeah Baby!  ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 7:38pm
Didn't you say you wanted to limit your investment in the 6k range? 17k sure is a big jump from 6k..............
You might want to look for liquid-cooled and HX'ers so you don't run 2 fuels.. Thats a higher operating cost..
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 7:40pm
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Dam Hammy you have almost 10,000 post in about 1.5yrs.. You spend alot of time here..
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 8:47pm
Yeah think!  ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 25/February/2008 at 9:47pm
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Posted By: B Rice
Date Posted: 26/February/2008 at 12:03am
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Not directed at cleanerg, but how do new business afford a tm? ------------- http://www.PanhandleFloorCare.com - http://www.PanhandleFloorCare.com http://www.Pensacola-Carpet-Cleaning.com - http://www.Pensacola-Carpet-Cleaning.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 26/February/2008 at 1:37am
Financing ------------- 
The STD Meter |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 26/February/2008 at 10:03am
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They steal it! ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cleanerg
Date Posted: 26/February/2008 at 11:36am
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Imagine you are receiving oral sex. You achieve a point where she sucks hard and not much happens. She has a lot of lift but not much suction. If she opens her mouth just slightly (The Glide) and air flow restarts, then she has increased the CFMs. Her suction will increase major by just allowing a bit of air to pass by your wand. Thus everyone is happy and the cfms are cruising at a velocity we all like.
Hillarious! Now I completely understand!
Yeah 17k from 6 k is a HUGE jump. My partner doesn't mind kicking down the money, or financing if it's worth it. Sounds like it is ... so we're going for it.
17k included instalation. 250 ft. of hose, wand, reel, pretty much everything I needed to get going. Is that still too high?
Thanks again for the help.
As far as start ups go and getting money for cashflow, equipment etc. It's really not too tough. Money is everywhere! Tons and tons of it. Teh people who have the cash are looking to make more off of it. They're not keeping it all in a pile in the basement with a diving board to jump in it like old "Uncle Scrooge" did.
Find the people with the cash. (Not too tough, just look for the huge houses! That's a good place to start.) Strap on your pair of gonads and go sell the heck out of yourself. Ask for 50k, don't blink an eye, and be ready to PROVE to them how they will make AT LEAST 20% annual return on their money by making them a percentage silent owner. Either that, or go for having them give you a regular loan at say 8% ... would likely end up closer to 10-12% but start at 8%.
It's actually a great time to find private investors right now. Real estate sucks, stock market is wildly unpredictable right now, and likely will be until at least the next 12 months.
Be creative. Sell yourself. Make it win, win, and you can't lose.
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Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 9:26pm
| When I started, I borrowed $5,000 from a private investor and promised $6,000 a year later. No problem. He wants to do it again whenever I'm ready, and I've got another guy who's good 10K or so. I'm getting a new van in a few months. Money will be tight, and credit cards suck. Borrowing a few g's for a wrap and some other marketing might be just the thing. I've thought about larger private loans, but most want to be silent partners. That's a big can of worms. No thanks! |
Posted By: B Rice
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 10:16pm
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Anyone know a place for financing a TM for new business? ------------- http://www.PanhandleFloorCare.com - http://www.PanhandleFloorCare.com http://www.Pensacola-Carpet-Cleaning.com - http://www.Pensacola-Carpet-Cleaning.com |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 10:20pm
Yea... Bill Gates...
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Posted By: B Rice
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 10:49pm
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Me and my partner have decent jobs so were not just carpet cleaning. Im mid level ranked in the Air Force and he's been working for pepsi for 8 years or so....So its not like we depend on the carpet cleaning funds to get financing ------------- http://www.PanhandleFloorCare.com - http://www.PanhandleFloorCare.com http://www.Pensacola-Carpet-Cleaning.com - http://www.Pensacola-Carpet-Cleaning.com |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 01/March/2008 at 1:04am
| Some car dealers will put the van+equipment on one loan. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 01/March/2008 at 2:41am
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Leasing company -------------
The STD Meter |
Posted By: Atlantis
Date Posted: 19/March/2008 at 11:16pm
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That doesn't sound bad to me... but what do I know? I bought a brand new Panther 25, 250 ft. of hose, reel, alluminum shelve, wand, stair wand, upholstery wand, installation and chemtex tile tool for about $15,000. I got lucky though.. Victor is a friend of a woman who I know who's been a customer of his for 20 years (and I've known her for 10 of those years) so he financed it for me at no interest!!! (50% down though). I have to be honest though... the Panthers are not the best units around, but they work. For the price and the financing though.. for a first truck mount.. I think I got a good deal! |
Posted By: kingjoelking
Date Posted: 20/March/2008 at 12:14am
| That is the same unit I am Running. Got 2006 chevy express van with 19000 miles Panther 25, 2 quad jet wands. rotovac 360, sx-12, 500' of hose Shelves, ton of chemicals...... $26k Father in law sold his Janitorial Master Franchise. Oh Financing through him. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 20/March/2008 at 12:32am
I had a 20hp panther back in the late 90's.. Ran pretty good.. Overheated and popped a thermal relief valve one time.. Otherwise it had great vac power.. LP for heat..
Never had any other problems.. But only had it for about 1.5yrs.. |
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