Commercial Olefin Cleaning
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Topic: Commercial Olefin Cleaning
Posted By: 77748
Subject: Commercial Olefin Cleaning
Date Posted: 14/September/2004 at 12:56am
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Ok! Using a Bonnet pad cleaning not the nice heavy bonnet but the commercial flat pad with green stripes we get results. Since we have finally got a TM we used a rotovac and got major brownout callback the next day which we used a bonnet pad as described above to resolve this embarrasment our jaws hit the ground when we seen the grey carpet turn brown all over the place. Therefore my question on olefin or commercial carpet using tm what other detergent can we use to resolve this knowing that we used excessive water. The rotovac is not good for olefin carpet. Just my opinion! I do know using hatian cotten uphostery cleaner on upholstery my understanding is you do not get brownout on white furniture. SAFE |
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/September/2004 at 2:11am
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Rotovac cleans good, but uses too much water for olefin ond most commercial carpet. Get a glide wand and use an acid side rinse, and you will have no problems with them. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: surroundings
Date Posted: 14/September/2004 at 5:12am
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From 77748: Therefore my question on olefin or commercial carpet using tm what other detergent can we use to resolve this knowing that we used excessive water. The rotovac is not good for olefin carpet. Just my opinion! Well... wouldn't you turn down your pressure & use an acid post-spray? Sorry if that sounds too simplistic, but after 7 months, I've not had this issue. -Allen |
Posted By: 77748
Date Posted: 14/September/2004 at 10:24am
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Acid rinse or Acid post spray it is. Actually it was with the rotovac and portable we had the problems. We will use the glide wand as instead. We have noticed a great difference with the portable wand we have versus the glide we received with the tm. Just a dumb question if we did use the tm with a glide wand with the pressure down with no acid rinse does anyone do that. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/September/2004 at 10:49am
Using a rotary tool on a glued downed olefin I think is uneccessary. The weight of the olefin will play a major part in the success of the tool. The subfloor is also a major concern if it is uneven. We use agitation a high ph and maybe we a lucky we have had not problems. We believe in the KISS method for our daily cleaning chores and find it usually works. (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.) Somtimes because you have all those marvelous expensicve tools a simple wand will do the trick. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 14/September/2004 at 5:54pm
| commercial carpets all react different it also depends on the amount of air flow.... the less water the better. I might use the brush on my rotor machine if the carpet can handle it...or maybe pads all depends... then I'll steam at 200 psi no rinse... all the while air movers on to start drying right away |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/September/2004 at 11:57pm
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Padding also works well on this type of carpet, but I would not use that method myself if you were doing a large job over a few thousand sq ft. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: surroundings
Date Posted: 15/September/2004 at 2:45am
Possibly.... HOWEVER....I had an accountant's office to do that took up the complete 13th floor (side note: unlike the US, Australians have a 13th floor... it was one of the biggest shocks when I moved over here.) It was glue-down olifin that pretty much stretched out across half a city block. It had never had a clean. It was 15 years old. Guess what tool I used? Yeah, you probabally meant that as a general statement.... -Allen ps: I've spoken with a lot of people who have ony used a wand that seem to reject power tools such as the RX (this is not in response to your post, Doug). I've been told that I'd never use it on residential, glue-down, or polyprop... but I do. Is it needed? Dunno. It's easier for me. |
doug wrote:Posted By: 77748
Date Posted: 15/September/2004 at 2:51am
| What do you mean by padding? Never heard of that term. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 15/September/2004 at 11:22am
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Please show the pad machine , Ted. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: WESTDEVIL
Date Posted: 16/September/2004 at 12:36am
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I have been using Padman's Oscillating machine successfully on quite a few Olefins after I bought his machine 3 months ago. After I pre-spray, I let the VLM dwell for 10 to 15 minutes and for this type of carpet I squeeze the pad more than usual before throwing it on the carpet. When I have done 400 SQF and start another area I can actually see the first area drying before my eyes. No problems with wickbacks that way. Besides the method cleans really well. ------------- Westdevil |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 16/September/2004 at 6:42pm
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http://www.kleenkuip.com/portables/padmanop.htm - Click here for video Be sure your browser has the latest version of a program called http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash - Flash or you will have problems viewing the video.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/September/2004 at 7:18pm
| Ted you're the best at graphics |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 16/September/2004 at 7:36pm
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Padding utilizes the OP machine like shown in Kens crafty video..LOL I loved it Ken.
Now as to bonnet padding with your green stripe, try doing the same thing even with a rotary using a cotton terri pad, then compare the amount of soil removed, it will amaze you. ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: FooLingYu
Date Posted: 16/September/2004 at 7:46pm
Looks like one spinning pizza with bean sprouts and one spinning pizza without pepperoni. 
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/September/2004 at 10:00pm
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It is way more impressive than that! lol ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 17/September/2004 at 3:39pm
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PadMan claims that orbital spinning as opposed to regular floor machine spinning are two totally different mechanical actions. He also suggests a much thinner pad to dig deeper for the soil as opposed to bonnet that skims the surface. PadMan even challenges truckmounts against his system. This is a man who puts his money where his mouth is. http://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=95&KW=floor - PadMan discusses his system in an earlier forum post. Click here. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/September/2004 at 4:12pm
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I think OP is great... but how much do pads cost...???and are they readily avaiable... ???you need 1000 or so???? with the machine cost ...the pad costs... the chemical costs...wow it'll almost put you into a truckmounted unit... I need prices |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 18/September/2004 at 9:36am
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Mr. Steamer: It depends on how much protection you need. Are you having a heavy day or light day. In the back of my mind I always thought you were different. I guess that's why you had such an easy time finding Allen's weekness's. Hey your secert is safe with me. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: gmoney
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 1:14am
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Mr. Steamer, The prices are not even close. Rough figures are as follows: Canadian Funds of course.... OP machine $3500 tops, $1500 used Pads $10 each (My source: hand made and top quality) (Only need 50-100 pads) Chemicals costs are less because you use a hell of lot less water Truckmount plus 3/4 ton $10-50,000 + gas to operate on a monthly basis, truck and truckmount repairs, 10,000 hours life of truckmount (I have a 20 year old rotary with '0' lost days of production), cost for heated storage in winter etc. In my opinion it is much cheaper. If you are a die hard steamer then don't bother. If you are into using safer methods (ie. wick back on olefin) with no chance of call backs in certain situations, then it is a valuable tool to add to your arsenal. GGGGGGGGG ------------- If you know what is good for you get it dry as quickly as possible |
Posted By: gmoney
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 1:17am
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By the way Steam man, I know you are not a die hard steamer. Heard you talk of using a rotary before. That statement was for those that only rely on one method to clean no matter what the situation. GGGGGGGGG ------------- If you know what is good for you get it dry as quickly as possible |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 2:04am
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Gmoney is right on his statement of course. Pad cleaning is incredably profitable both on it's input costs being lower than those of operating a TM, and the premium you can get for it over other methods because so few people do it. In the GTA this is a needed service! The steam cleaners there are so busy chopping each others prices, that few make the $100 per hour they should for their labour. John Geurkink gets .30/sq ft American where he lives, and that is about .40/sq ft in Canadian terms. How many of you get that much for your cleaning? Not many I suspect.
Add this on as another tool in your tool box and get out of the downward price spiral so many of your competiors are in. You don't have to participate you know. People that get well paid get that way by being different from the crowd, not blending in. With this system, you have that chance of being different. Will you take it? ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Joel
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 11:06am
| Pads cost about $16.00 when you include freight/brokerage and exchange on the dollar. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 12:29pm
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Seems a little high. But if true, you guys are going to luv the Hi-Tech Pads I am working on for the pad machine. It is one of my projects. They will cost less than this price and work better as well. When ready for market, you will read about them here first. Who said that pads can't glide better too?
Superglide Ken ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: diva
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 1:45pm
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we have a CANADIAN suppier who will supply TOP QUALITY pads for far less. We would never pay $16 PLUS PLUS NOR would we pay $8.50 (U.S. dollars) PLUS PLUS
WE have a great supplier right here in the GTA for hand made TOP of the line pads and they even customize your pads if you choose. So Padding has suddenly become affordable!!
CARPET CLEANING DIVA DRYER AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY IS THE WAY TO GO! ------------- THE DIVA |
Posted By: Joel
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 1:56pm
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Why don't you share where we can get these pads Diva?
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 19/September/2004 at 1:57pm
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Who is this supplier for more affordable pads, Diva? Speak up so everyone reading your post can benefit. It is certainly a consideration with some people when deciding wether to buy a machine, cause once you have done that, pads are the main cost input. The machines themselves can last 20 years and the chemical cleaning agent used often runs for $1/house or less on the small jobs. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 21/September/2004 at 4:58pm
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OP Machines are perceived to be overly expensive in Canada. Approximately $3,000.00 but coming down in price. You use so little chemical it's almost insignificant. And pads sell for between 6 & 8 dollars U.S. funds. I have a customer who purchases cotton toweling by the yard and has his wife on her sewing machine whip fifty or so up in no time at a very low cost. I had better shut up before I put myself out of business. PS ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 21/September/2004 at 10:48pm
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Thats okay Ted; John has them whipped up in Turkey for much less than they can be made here. Mine are whipped up cheap out of India for even less. I apply a Teflon coating to part of them(secret which part) to make them much more effective on the floor in both the way they move and the way they clean. Enough said for now. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 22/September/2004 at 2:57pm
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After reading Superglide Kens posts I can see him becoming THE MAN FROM PAD. Keep working on that Teflon Ken. Don't let this one slip out of your hands. I know you are up to something. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 22/September/2004 at 3:30pm
You are right about that Ted. I got to be careful what i say. This would not be the first product that somebody copied before I was ready to sell it. That has happened to us both before. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 06/November/2004 at 12:39pm
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But it HAS been tried before, we decided AGAINST it, would not pick up soil nearly as well. ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 07/November/2004 at 12:06am
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There you go! Commercial olefin====ENCAPSULATION |