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Lee Stockwell
Newbie Joined: 03/March/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 40 |
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Hire to your strengths, not your weakness. If you are a great cleaner you will be able to train and supervise that cleaner better than if you were not a great cleaner. You will quickly recognize bad habits and techniques before much damage is done. Clone yourself.
If you are not a good salesperson you will make a poor supervisor or trainer for a hired salesperson. You will be slow to recognize and correct expensive bad habits and presentations of that salesperson. A train wreck you will never see coming until you do the autopsy on the experiment.
Better to make it your First Priority to "become" salesman #1 in your business. Make over the entire buying experience that your clients have with your company, before, during, after each job. Never take off your marketing hat. You will lose control of the direction of your company if you do. Employees are "rented". A rented salesman going on to greener pastures is darn near inevitable. He will then do you more grief than any former cleaning technician.
I've been there. If you don't believe me, go ahead. Twenty years from now you can give my speech to younger newbies.
I'll be happy to help! Thanks, Lee |
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cleanex
Carpet Cleaning Specialist Joined: 17/October/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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Well than until you make a decision as to which way you want to go it is silly for us to be giving you advise. Owner operator, does not need a sales person, do as Steamer says "Do great work and your clients will build your business for you" REPEAT- REFERRALS THE LIFE BLOOD OF A OWNER OPERATORS BUSINESS Multiple truck business needs a sales oriented approach, and less concerns for high quality workmanship, simply because it will be hard to achieve with most employees you will be able to hire. The decision is yours! |
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DON ELDRED
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danmarck82
Carpet Cleaning Specialist Joined: 08/February/2004 Status: Offline Points: 618 |
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It seems there are two decisions. Do I want to be a multi truck operation
or owner operator business. I chose owner operator, other choose multi unit. I chose owner operator because I felt it is harder to target high end and be multi unit unless you have a tight handle on your training and management skills. I preferred my weekends off in the summer, and worrying about what's going on when I'm gone was not my idea of relaxing. That said, Ed has a good plan for multi unit operations, Mr. Steamer has a more owner/ operator style. IMO. Each good advise after you have decided on the #1 decision above. 1 unit ? or multiple??? That is the question. You seem to be leaning multi unit , Ed's advise seems prudent and backed by the wisdom of experience. I myself can't comment on the best way to expand to multi units, I just haven't been there done that yet!!! good luck. |
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MR. STEAMER
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A good sales man a dime a dozen A good cleaner priceless |
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MR. STEAMER
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Great lots of sales.... no good work... your company is in the crapper... Don you might be one of the lucky ones good help is VERY VERY hard to find... CC'ing isn't an easy job.... it's back breaking and it can cost a company a lot of money in screw ups..... and in truck repairs... Yes looking towards a multi truck operation is great but all you have right now is one truck and thats where you should be on that one truck.... I guess I'm used to being involved with bigger organizations operations that book 30 to 100 calls a day... I know the problems with techs and equipment... I also know how long it takes before you get a bad rep..all the while the owners in the office...he's dying inside as his business goes down becasue of poor workmanship... People want personal service.... they want to know who's coming to the door... unless your catering to a population of over a million one truck should do just fine with you on it...and someone else pushing the sales.
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cleanex
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Cleaner 1 You are the company, nobody better than you to be the sales/marketing person, your goal should be to hire and train good tech's and free up yourself to do all the other things necessary to grow your business. In my case I stayed on the truck a way to long, not that our business suffered it is exactly where we want it, but if you have aspirations of multiple crews and trucks on the road than you need to get off the truck and doing all the administration things necessary to get to that point. That is my opinion! |
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MR. STEAMER
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Cleaner1... I look at it this way.... what is your business... to clean carpets properly....it's the dirty part of the job that no one wants..... they never remember the sales person they remember the dude with the wand and how good a job he did. Like I said do good work first and the sales will come... some customers will give a testimonial.... some will give your referals.... some will champion your cause The reason why a lot of Carpet Cleaning Companies fail... the owner wants to be a pen pusher and not a wand pusher... The work you provide in the house will be your greatest asset... it'll come a time that you won't need a sales person because the reputation of quality work will precede you... Plus think of all the money in repairs on the truck you'll save if you run it and not some Joe buddy employee... Hire the sales man....To start I pay him 15%... plus gas mileage.... give him a cell phone and a daytimer and send him on his merry way... maybe even his own desk with his name on it... your job is to clean and keep the salesman motivated..happy sales man means more sales
sorry for the long post... I've lived this and I'm living it and I will live it again Edited by MR. STEAMER |
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Ed Valentine
Carpet Cleaning Specialist Joined: 14/September/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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Cleaner1;
I apologize if I did not make myself clear. Sometimes those like myself, who have the experience are sometimes the worst explainers because we tend to take what we are saying forgranted. Sorry.. I have to make the assumption that you have one truck (?). Work that truck; but sell in-between your jobs whenever you can. Once you become so busy "working" (cleaning jobs); hire a tech to run that truck full-time, and put on another truck--part-time---and keep on selling in-between jobs. Once you build up the business for that truck, hire a tech and so on and so forth. Do not make it complicated because it is not.
Good Fortune; Ed valentine |
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Cleaner1
Newbie Joined: 16/February/2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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Danmark. let me know when it is ready. I'd like to try it out. Ed.....thanks for the advise....I do plan to run multiple trucks one day.....for now one TM and one porty.....see what happens.....but I'm still confused and a little unsure where we went with this......should I hire the sales person? Sorry if I'm being a little "thick headed" but I'm unsure as to the end results. If I am busy cleaning and marketing/sales...etc.etc. in my area...who is going to do the job in the new area if I dont hire someone? Your response is greatly appreciated. |
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Ed Valentine
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Cleaner1;
Ultimately, someday, perhaps your goal will not to be on the truck(s), rather doing the necessary sales and follow-up work. When I was cleaning, I had to mesh both cleaning and sales into my day when I first got started. Then, after I acquired more and more jobs to keep the first truck going, I purchased another truck for myself, and continued to do the samething until that one was needed full time. And, so on, until I had 11 trucks going. The absolute BEST salesman in the world is the owner operator because his drive, and sincerity to help always shows to the potential customer and never goes away. Pay your techs well, and unleash yourself and go get the business! Believe me, it is not as complicated as you may think once you organize yourself.
Good Fortune to your business success; Ed Valentine "YOUR SILENT PARTNER" |
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danmarck82
Carpet Cleaning Specialist Joined: 08/February/2004 Status: Offline Points: 618 |
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cleaner 1,
that is why I am in the process of developing a piece of software with a partner of mine that takes away a lot of the time consuming part of running a 1 man show. It lets me concentrate on running my business. The software keeps track of all the invoicing and collections and also is a postcard reminder and coupon creator . It allows me to stay on top of my business with less than 15 minutes per day on average use. I will be allowing other cleaners to check out a free trial shortly . After the free trial We will be looking for companies to purchase a Beta version of the software at a drastically reduced price If they agree to use all aspects of the software and report back to us with constructive criticism and ideas. They also would have to agree that they would not publicly criticize the software . That is the purpose of allowing them to see the software before it is 100% complete. I strongly believe that if you religiously use our software for it's intended purpose you will get a handle on the things that are overwhelming you. !! Any questions of me , please Private message me if you wish. Or I can answer them here. Thanks Edited by danmarck82 |
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Cleaner1
Newbie Joined: 16/February/2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING MR. VALENTINE. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE ALOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA. I HAVE READ YOUR POSTS AND CHECKED OUT SOME OF YOUR INFO AT OTHER SITES. MY QUESTION IS HOW ODES ONE FIND THE TIME TO DO EVERYTHING....CLEAN....MARKET..SELL.......INVOICE....BOOK JOBS....ETC....ETC...ETC... I AM ONLY ONE PERSON AND I FEEL....AS MR. STEAMER ALREADY STATED.....IF I AM GOING TO GIVE UP ANYTHING TO SOMEONE ELSE ITS THE SALES SIDE. HIRING SOMEONE WITH PROVEN SALES ABILITY. DO YOU AGREE? HOW WOULD ONE GET THE TIME TO DO ALL THIS STUFF AND STILL FOLLOW UP WITH CUSTOMER,DO THE BALLOT BOX THING,PRINT AND DELVER ALL THE BROCHURES...ETC ETC..... LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK AS I REALLY VALUE YOUR OPINION
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Ed Valentine
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Cleaner1;
IMHO, I do not think that hiring a sales person will achieve your goal because I believe that whoever this person may be, he/she will quickly get discouraged and leave. I think a much better way is for you to "Lateral Sell". This involves convincing others in the service trades (ex: Interior designers; Carpet/Furniture Stores;etc..., local Country Clubs, etc..) to recommend you and your company. My own experience doing this in the past has been a terrific success and increase in business. It builds a terrific reputation way before you ever arrive at the door step. And, that helps to build customer confidence.
There are other ways of getting the business that I have learned to. Tune into: www.members3.boardhost.com/johnmmerritt/ and look under Archives. Download.
Hope this helps; Ed valentine |
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Cleaner1
Newbie Joined: 16/February/2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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I agree totally. That is why I'm trying this route. I also agree it is difficult to expand when you are a one man show. I have tried and failed with having someone else do the actual work. As you said....employee's don't care so don't give them the opportunity to screw it up for you. Stay on the wand as long as possilbe and do your training yourself.....also do some follow up on your own every once in a while to make sure customers are happy. The new sales person will be doing follow-up daily. I was wondering Mr. Steamer, what would you think it should be worth to pay this guy to start. He is fairly young and energetic....right now anyway.....we'll see what happens.....but I want to pay him well enough to stick around. He is very interested in learning the business and I will probably have him estimating later on? What should I pay him? Edited by Cleaner1 |
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