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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cleaner1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14/March/2005 at 12:09pm

Danmark. let me know when it is ready. I'd like to try it out.

Ed.....thanks for the advise....I do plan to run multiple trucks one day.....for now one TM and one porty.....see what happens.....but I'm still confused and a little unsure where we went with this......should I hire the sales person? Sorry if I'm being a little "thick headed" but I'm unsure as to the end results. If I am busy cleaning and marketing/sales...etc.etc. in my area...who is going to do the job in the new area if I dont hire someone?

Your response is greatly appreciated.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ed Valentine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14/March/2005 at 12:23pm

Cleaner1;

 

I apologize if I did not make myself clear. Sometimes those like myself, who have the experience are sometimes the worst explainers because we tend to take what we are saying forgranted. Sorry..

I have to make the assumption that you have one truck (?). Work that truck; but sell in-between your jobs whenever you can. Once you become so busy "working" (cleaning jobs); hire a tech to run that truck full-time, and put on another truck--part-time---and keep on selling in-between jobs. Once you build up the business for that truck, hire a tech and so on and so forth.

Do not make it complicated because it is not.

 

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Cleaner1... I look at it this way.... what is your business... to clean carpets properly....it's the dirty part of the job that no one wants..... they never remember the sales person they remember the dude with the wand and how good a job he did.

Like I said do good work first and the sales will come... some customers will give a testimonial.... some will give your referals.... some will champion your cause

The reason why a lot of Carpet Cleaning Companies fail... the owner wants to be a pen pusher and not a wand pusher...

The work you provide in the house will be your greatest asset... it'll come a time that you won't need a sales person because the reputation of quality work will precede you...

Plus think of all the money in repairs on the truck you'll save if you run it and not some Joe buddy employee...

Hire the sales man....To start I pay him 15%... plus gas mileage.... give him a cell phone and a daytimer and send him on his merry way... maybe even his own desk with his name on it...  your job is to clean and keep the salesman motivated..happy sales man means more sales

 

sorry for the long post...  I've lived this and I'm living it and I will live it again



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Cleaner 1

You are the company, nobody better than you to be the sales/marketing person, your goal should be to hire and train good tech's and free up yourself to do all the other things necessary to grow your business. In my case I stayed on the truck a way to long, not that our business suffered it is exactly where we want it, but if you have aspirations of multiple crews and trucks on the road than you need to get off the truck and doing all the administration things necessary to get to that point.

That is my opinion!

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Great lots of sales.... no good work... your company is in the crapper...

Don you might be one of the lucky ones good help is VERY VERY hard to find... CC'ing isn't an easy job.... it's back breaking and it can cost a company a lot of money in screw ups..... and in truck repairs...

Yes looking towards a multi truck operation is great but all you have right now is one truck and thats where you should be on that one truck....

I guess I'm used to being involved with bigger organizations operations that book 30 to 100 calls a day... I know the problems with techs and equipment... I also know how long it takes before you get a bad rep..all the while the owners in the office...he's dying inside as his business goes down becasue of poor workmanship...

People want personal service.... they want to know who's coming to the door... unless your catering to a population of over a million one truck should do just fine with you on it...and someone else pushing the sales.

 

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A good sales man a dime a dozen

A good cleaner priceless

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote danmarck82 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14/March/2005 at 3:44pm
It seems there are two decisions. Do I want to be a multi truck operation
or owner operator business. I chose owner operator, other choose multi
unit.

I chose owner operator because I felt it is harder to target high end and
be multi unit unless you have a tight handle on your training and
management skills. I preferred my weekends off in the summer, and
worrying about what's going on when I'm gone was not my idea of
relaxing.

That said, Ed has a good plan for multi unit operations, Mr. Steamer has
a more owner/ operator style. IMO.
Each good advise after you have decided on the #1 decision above.
1 unit ? or multiple??? That is the question.

You seem to be leaning multi unit , Ed's advise seems prudent and
backed by the wisdom of experience. I myself can't comment on the best
way to expand to multi units, I just haven't been there done that yet!!!

good luck.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cleanex Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14/March/2005 at 3:55pm

Well than until you make a decision as to which way you want to go it is silly for us to be giving you advise.

Owner operator, does not need a sales person, do as Steamer says "Do great work and your clients will build your business for you" REPEAT- REFERRALS THE LIFE BLOOD OF A OWNER OPERATORS BUSINESS

Multiple truck business needs a sales oriented  approach, and less concerns for high quality workmanship, simply because it will be hard to achieve with most employees you will be able to hire.

The decision is yours!

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Hire to your strengths, not your weakness.  If you are a great cleaner you will be able to train and supervise that cleaner better than if you were not a great cleaner.  You will quickly recognize bad habits and techniques before much damage is done. Clone yourself.

 

If you are not a good salesperson you will make a poor supervisor or trainer for a hired salesperson. You will be slow to recognize and correct expensive bad habits and presentations of that salesperson.  A train wreck you will never see coming until you do the autopsy on the experiment.

 

Better to make it your First Priority to "become" salesman #1 in your business.  Make over the entire buying experience that your clients have with your company, before, during, after each job. Never take off your marketing hat.  You will lose control of the direction of your company if you do.  Employees are "rented".  A rented salesman going on to greener pastures is darn near inevitable.  He will then do you more grief than any former cleaning technician.

 

I've been there.  If you don't believe me, go ahead.  Twenty years from now you can give my speech to younger newbies.

 

I'll be happy to help!

Thanks,

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cleanex Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14/March/2005 at 5:32pm
Now there my friend is some good information, from someone who has been there done that!
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I think all the advise is good... it's not a text book situation... I seen it first hand myself... either or is good...

just because someone has been there done that, doesn't mean it'll happen the same way everytime....

age is not wisdom... just remember that...  It's your vision, and only you can make it happen... with hard work and determination anything is possible...

people say impossible...but you work to make it possible

If you listen to everyone you'll get no where... sit down draw up a business plan and go for it...

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OK

 

Let's hear from any established firm who hired a salesperson as one of the first employees, and had that turn into a winning proposition that lasted at least one year?

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Then can you spare a few words?

 

I could care less about winning an internet p-ing match, but many times I've seen a newbie get sold a bill of goods, either being convinced to buy a machine that the crowd cheers about (but doesn't own) or convinced to take a course of action that wastes scarce resources (and that the advice-givers haven't done successfully either).

 

I've seen many a young couple persuaded to buy that biggest YP ad, buy various expensive office gizmos, get saddled with crushing lease payments.....and then crash and burn.  That's real people with kids and dreams crushed.  Three of my married sons have their own truckmounts, and no payments. They have bought their homes.  When I see a young guy coming to the boards to get advice I see my kids' faces.  It pisses me off to see them get crappy advice from people who should know better.

 

Carry on....

 

Thanks,

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