High Power Portable VS Truckmount Operating costs.

John L wrote: OK  ken I'm not the only one with a very powerful porty. My Recoil has 9 stages of turbines yours has 8.. 9 is MORE than 8.. Re-read bryans post.. Thats real live true numbers.. I can relate having both also..    On the other hand 7 is more than 9 also.. Hows that you ask?  Because 7 -- ate(8)-- 9..

John:

Better check again

The Ultima has 12 stages of vacuum vs your 9 stages

The Titan 300HV has 9 stages and they have lift of 150" each, not the 117" lift the recoil has

The Titan 400HV has 4 vac motors that pull to 140" lift, again much stronger than the 117" lift from the 2 3 stage vacs in the Recoil.



Edited by Superglide Ken - 17/March/2008 at 5:15pm

bryan wrote: Ken dispute two facts one that a TM can clean faster then a Porty.  Second again this is in my are and would assume that it is the case in other areas that customers prefer TM's over portables. I using both portys and TM have never been able to clean faster then my TM. I my area we also have very hard water, which reduces the chemical effectiveness.  So, I am using a softener  in my TM(cost about ¢5 a job) this is one way to use less chemicals and get a better result, again with a portable you don't have this luxury.  Please show me the light, I am all about cleaning faster with out sacrificing results.  If you are one that thinks portables clean better then a TM there is no need to respond, I have had this conversation.

Nope they dont, but that is not the question now is it?

The high power Portables I sell can clean just as well as any TM, but can take a little longer to clean with if they use lower heat at the wand. But my main point is overlooked. You will not have the choice much longer and that is because rationing and very high gas prices are coming to the USA in 2009. It will be go electric or get out of the business.

...............If that's true JohnL................then this equation also stands true and is in complete contradition to yours....................if 7... ate8...9     T  H  E  N    9... ate8...7

Ken dispute two facts one that a TM can clean faster then a Porty.  Second again this is in my are and would assume that it is the case in other areas that customers prefer TM's over portables. I using both portys and TM have never been able to clean faster then my TM. I my area we also have very hard water, which reduces the chemical effectiveness.  So, I am using a softener  in my TM(cost about ¢5 a job) this is one way to use less chemicals and get a better result, again with a portable you don't have this luxury.  Please show me the light, I am all about cleaning faster with out sacrificing results.  If you are one that thinks portables clean better then a TM there is no need to respond, I have had this conversation.  

kenny stated:

bryan wrote: Ken you are still going to have gas getting to the job so your main extra gas that you are burning is at the customers house.  Using your numbers you use about 2 gallons an hour.  My average job is 1.5 hours at $4 a gallon I'm looking at $12 in gas to do that job.  Where with a porty would take me two more more hours to do.  Follow me here if I work 8 hours of cleaning time I would be looking at 4 jobs with a porty, or 5.3 jobs with a TM (8/1.5=5.33) .  So lets round down to five and give me a longer lunch.  Lets say you average job is around $150.  Total income with a portable is 4x150=600, and a TM 5x150=750.  Now I have to take the cost of gas out we said $12 a job 12x5=60.  So now take 750-60=690 a profit of 90 per day at 20 days a month $1800 at the end of the month.  We now have to look at chemicals you will need to use more chemicals to get the same or close results with a portable, do to the extra heat and power of a TM.  The $12 a job is more like $10 a job, you don't think you can roll this price on to you customers.   I don't know about other cleaners but I know I can sell my TM more then a portable.  Where I live about 25% of the time a customer won't let you in if they see they are getting a portable. Factor this in and the TM is looking a lot better.  Thats another thing I didn't mention with the average job price.  I was saying you will get the same money with a portable  as a TM, slim chance where I live, so the cost of $10 a job is non existent.  For you information you can get an electric TM that uses 2 20 amp circuits that has a lot more power then any portable(Bane-Clene) they cost around 10K.

One the depression will probably last about 18 months, second it does not take 8 years before oil can be refined. Would like to see documentation where you found this.  This US has plenty of oil we just wont drill.  Millions of gallons are pulled from the gulf of Mexico, we should be looking at California and Florida.  We are to worried about saving animals then ourselves.  We have great technology to find the oil this is the hard part not drilling for it.  Check out this post Ken http://west.stanford.edu/exploringthewest/pdf/OilExtraction.pdf it is very simple.  People will also work faster for it if the demand is high enough.