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Ken_Is_OK ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() Joined: 13/February/2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 523 |
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With the correct pad or bonnet you won't pop breakers.
Try a FiberPlus pad or sometimes called FiberEase and use a chemical called Punch or ReleasIt http://www.excellent-supply.com/
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cmaster ![]() IICRC Instigator ![]() Joined: 29/January/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29693 |
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A 175 rpm machine is a very valuable tool for commercial carpet. You will use it once you realize the limitations of your equipment. We use one on some nasty jobs in conjunction with our tm's.
There is good money in hard surface cleaning, so don't rule it out. We have done it for years and if you have the equipment, why not? All you need is some training.
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MBCC ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24/May/2008 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 49 |
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Thanks for the good advice. I'll look into that. 90 percent of my research thus far has been internet based and I could definitely use more in the field observation / experience to boost my working knowledge. Who wants to be a internet weenie?
My newbie mistake. I purchased a carpet rotary buffer for restoration thinking it would be good to use on matted down areas on medium pile. The salesman sold me on it but I discovered that medium pile increased torque enough to pop 20 amp breakers. I soon discovered an alternate cheap solution: Deep clean in a bucket with stiff brush and muscle grease. It lifts the pile nicely prior to extraction. Practical for jobs with 100 square feet or less of restorative work. The buffer isn't exactly a waste of money... but I don't have any customers with low pile and my machine isn't getting any use. Im really not interested in hard surfaces, but I think I'll keep it in case it's needed for a large low-pile restoration job. |
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cmaster ![]() IICRC Instigator ![]() Joined: 29/January/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29693 |
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It definitely sounds like you have the calculated your cost factor. Very important to know that.
You should also look at taking some training courses. These can shorten your learning curve. You can also meet some of your peers and pick up some helpful tips/tricks which could be very valuable down the road. Depending on where you live, your local supplier may be able to help you with that.
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MBCC ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24/May/2008 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 49 |
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Ken: I dry vac. Who doesn't? Its a hoover. But I guess thats sub-standard too.
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MBCC ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24/May/2008 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 49 |
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Cmaster: I would have purchased a TM if money wasn't an object. Bigger has got to be better, right? But fortunately my portable is doing a good job for my customers. And it's all about how much they are willing to spend, especially businesses that have tight budgets.
In a way I got lucky. I recognize that. The beauty about working with military housing is they replace carpets every 5 or 6 years. If my services can extend their carpet life to a 6-7 year replacement schedule they save big bucks. And that sir, is my goal. You bet Time is money. They are one in the same. Google Randy Pausch - Time Management (lecture from NOV 2007 given at University of Virginia). Thats how I operate. In doing my research of standard practices within this business I couldn't find a Standard Unit larger than a square foot. When you're dealing with a million square feet or higher it needs to be condensed. So in my business model I determined that 1000 square feet would equal one unit. And I based my costs per unit. That enabled me to set up a program calculator to monitor inventory levels, units remaining, and accurately track cleaning costs used per job. Annually, the minimum number of units needed is 75 to remain in business. 650 is my sole operating range. Anything higher than that would require an employee at 12 dollars per hour. I am currently at 540 (with a 100 +/- fudge factor) under 2 contracts. I guess this is where my enthusiasm comes from. |
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Ken_Is_OK ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() Joined: 13/February/2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 523 |
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uh-oh he doesnt dry vac first!
and he's not IICRC certified.
hoorah
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cmaster ![]() IICRC Instigator ![]() Joined: 29/January/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29693 |
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That's why I said that I understand you enthusiasm. We've all been there. I used portables for 17 years before I bought my first tm. We still use a portable on some jobs. There are other methods as well which can provide excellent results on commercial carpets at low cost.
There is also something to be said for being debt free. I respect you for that.
It's true that you can achieve similar results with a portable, but it will take more time. Time is money in this biz. The faster you can go(and still achieve good results), the more you'll make.
We don't just use a tm, so we're not a one method company. Different methods are required, depending on a number of factors. Hopefully you wiil learn that early and offer your customers the best method based on their needs.
As far as pricing goes, it depends on where you live, what your costs are, what method you are using, how much profit you want to make, etc. We have competitors that will clean commercial carpet for under 5 cents. We charge between 8 and 24 cents
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MBCC ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24/May/2008 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 49 |
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Ken,
You guys are a bunch of diehards... but thats Ok. I am your competition and will be happy to answer your questions. - Portable exhaust isn't an issue. My recovery tank has a screw-cap viewport that doesn't allow vapors or mist to escape. - I clean my recovery tank after each use in mere minutes: First drain it. Put 2 gallons of hot water mixed with enzymes in the feed tank. Remove the wand. Turn the vacs on. Place the hose inside the feed tank to clean the unit. If you use enzymes then you know they kill urine bacteria. - I don't use grocery store chems. SURTEC is an independent professional product supplier. Rug Doctor has a commercial line of products not sold in grocery stores. I manage my inventory by it's usage: I stock 7 spotters; 2 pre-sprays; 1 deep clean shampoo; 6 tank additives; 2 enzymes; 1 protectant. 19 products total. None sold at grocery stores. - My customers are happy with the 4 hour dry time my machine provides. However, IF they ask for a quicker dry time, I would use Quick Dry Tank additive combined with a Viking Blower to reduce drying to 30 minutes. Edited by MBCC - 25/May/2008 at 10:32am |
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Ken_Is_OK ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() Joined: 13/February/2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 523 |
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Sir Yes Sir
Your portable exhausts through the recovery tank so what does that do for the indoor air quality in the house you are cleaning?
If you clean cat piss in one house you had better disinfect your recovery tank top to bottom before going on to the next house. Can this be done properly? probably not. (you can't clean a Mytee)
also why use chems that the customer can buy at any grocery store?
next question: What kind of dry vac do you use? Edited by Ken_Is_OK - 25/May/2008 at 7:09am |
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MBCC ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24/May/2008 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 49 |
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The Navy taught me a lot. And failure wasn't a subject.
You missed the point of my post. It was to share a success story to encourage others. I don't have a beef with your TM. But they do costs a lot and cost more to operate than a portable machine. I could have put myself in debt buying a TM. But I chose to buy a portable that cleans on par with a TM. That might throw you a bit. But the reality is your TM pushes more water and extracts well. My portable pushes less water and extracts well. The fact that a TM pushes more water doesn't make it better. Proper application of High traffic solution as a pre-spray and use of spotters works excellent with 500 psi Hot water extraction. And customers don't see a difference in performance. So why wouldn't you use a machine that is cheaper to operate? I know you have put many years under your belt in this business. And you are commenting on experience. I can respect that. But don't fall in that trap of thinking your way is the only way. You will lose every time... especially with technology advances. And the reason I might sound like a salesman is because I truly love my machine and can attest to it's results. I have seen what a TM can do and to be honest couldn't see any difference with the end result. And the reason you are losing jobs by price is because your operating costs are higher. You really think anyone can under price 9.9 Cents a square foot? How much are you charging? |
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cmaster ![]() IICRC Instigator ![]() Joined: 29/January/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29693 |
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Well la dee f**king da smart ass. WTF do I care about your previous profession. It has nothing to do with this one. You know how to get things done in the navy. This ain't the navy dumbass
![]() Like I said, when you lose a few jobs by price, you'll get a reality check. And you will
![]() As far as what I paid for my truckmounts, you have no clue. Maybe you paid more for your porty
![]() I wasn't trying to insult you in my last post, however, now that you asked for it, I'll oblige
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MBCC ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 24/May/2008 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 49 |
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Don't blame my early success based on your years of getting it right. And don't accuse me of being a sales person. Only egotistical morons would trample on a success story like mine. You're not raining on my parade buddy.. I am a retired Naval officer with 25 years of management experience and logistics. I know how to get things done. My contracts speak for themselves. They fired the TM guy at the base so what does that tell me? You paid way too much for a TM. And yes, I find your reply just a bit arrogant and insulting.
And at 12.5 cents a square foot I dare anyone to beat that price. (But in truth I provide a 15% discount to contracts... so it's actually 9.9 cents a square foot.) Good luck on that one. Edited by MBCC - 25/May/2008 at 2:07am |
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cmaster ![]() IICRC Instigator ![]() Joined: 29/January/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29693 |
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So you've been in business less than 2 months and you've never cleaned with a truckmount???
![]() I can understand your enthusiasm with your new found profession, but until you get a few years under your belt, you hardly qualify as an expert. You actually sound like a salesperson for US Products
![]() You need to try a few different methods, not just hwe with a portable. You also need to have someone with a lower price take a few jobs away from you. You will then realize that customers who buy from you cuz you're the lowest will also buy from the next guy that comes along with a price lower than yours. Welcome to reality
![]() Sorry, I'm not trying to rain on your parade, just letting you know that there is a lot more to this business than it may appear to you at this point
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