OP Cleaning

John,

Giving out trade secrets is not part of anyone's plan. Following the law, in my opinion should be. As I understand the laws in the US if you wish to sell your product in NY, PA or NJ you must list the top 5 ingredients on the label.

An exemption is possible in each State as long as you have registered your product with that State's Department of Health. If you have not done that, i suggest you do.

When any Company does any business in another country, they have to follow the laws of that country. Our federal Government publishes a long list  of chemicals that there are concerns with. If any Canadian manufacturer includes any of these chemicals in their product in a percentage greater than 1% then they must be listed under the hazardous ingredients. Failure to do so or get caught only results in a "very bad day" for that Company. Our Company currently manufactures products under private label for a well known US Company. I follow all of the laws that i have to

Though you are not alone by a long shot in hiding information, I hope you don't get caught by our WHMIS police. It will then be a "bad day."

Speaking as a manufacturer, there are no "trade secrets" We are all buying the same stuff from the same people. If I really want to find something out, I have access to a host of resources that will tell me anything I want to know. So lets all follow the laws

John forgive my cynicism but after studying MSDS for the last couple of years and regularly seeing  the words "trade secret" on the U.S. MSDS I have to stand up for Jim.

Give you an example, I  have an MSDS of a popular encapsulator in front of me with the ingredient Sodium Lauryl sulfate stating it has no CAS number assigned.

Horsefeathers!!

The attitude of "trust me" from the U.S. manufacturers is infuriating.

Jim is just saying, if you are going to state something in your promotions, prove it.

We are undergoing getting the "environmental choice" logo as we speak, that should be done soon, that is MUCH less expensive than having it done here.

I understand being CAREFUL, but we have been and also have been in front at promoting SAFE, BIO-BASED products for carpet cleaners.

• EPA rated as “Readily Biodegradable” (84.6% TOC in 28 days)

• Proven Effective by

• Certified Minority Business Enterprise

Special Recognition – Selected as “Ecological Cleaner of Choice” by the U.S. Navy Environmental Health Center.

You make statements like: residue Free, Non Toxic, Biologically and Environment Friendly & Baby Safe.  If the manufacturer is telling you that this particular product is all of the things that they say it is - that's terrific. But who has independently certified this information.

Without independant 3rd party verification all claims are totally meaningless - just marketing babbletrap and hype.

Enviromental Preferable Purchasing requirements of Executive Orders 13101 and 13148 for the Federal Goverment. , issued to all Federal procurement administrators addressed the gravity of hazardous products and directed them to purchase products such as Abstraction solutions. Private enterprise compliance may be helpful as a legal defense and when negotiating government contracts.

What is it? "One of this century's' most promising advancements in environmental science." Oliver Markley, PhD., University of Houston

Colloidal chemistry is the new technology that makes possible the conversion of extracts of natural plants into amazingly powerful, yet surprisingly mild and gentle solutions that dissolve oil, grease, scum, stain, and other hydrocarbons. Hydrocarbons comprise 99% of all cleaning/degreasing challenges. Abstraction products are based on this new science. They are the only known plant-based, non-acidic, non-caustic, hypoallergenic cleaners that effectively remove dirt, grease and oil residue.

How are they created? When processed extracts of natural plants such as soy, corn, grain, potatoes, trees, etc., are blended at specific time intervals, temperatures and sequences, they lose their former characteristics. New particles are created described as "colloidal micelles." Colloidal micelles are so small (.000,000,001cm) they can only be observed with the most powerful electron microscope.

How do they work? They surround and separate (emulsify) oil (hydrocarbon) molecules from each other and/or the surface to which they cling. Once surrounded and separated, the soil can be rinsed or wiped away as easily as dry sand.

To get the so-called GREEN seal here in the US we basically have to pay a bunch of hippies $15,000 to get the seal, we don't need it..LOL

PadMan

Diva

I appreciate the fact that you feel my questions are valid. I have nothing against the system, the methods, the chemistry or anything else. I especially appreciate happy customers. Every company today cannot survive withput them.

For the past 2 years I have educated myself on the meaning of the words that people are using and feel that as a result of my education feel somewhat qualified to address this issue. I did check the MSD sheet and there are no ingredients listed at all. The only thing it says is "...Trade Secret.." There is no disclosure of any kind. There is no scientific evidence, there is no 3rd party verification. I would welcome any evidence to show how these statements made are in fact true. 

I have just spoken with John G who will gladly answer your questions regarding the authenticity of my claims. He is on the road but will  answer them by days end.

Thank you for inquiring, your questions are valid and I would like them answered properly. For you and others reading this post.

PAD DIVA NORTH