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leuj20
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Posted: 10/May/2009 at 12:57am |
thanks, Mr slide!!
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Mr. Slide
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Got this off another board:
An extraction rinse product has two or three situations where they have an advantage. 1. Heavily soiled traffic area. This may need several passes with the wand to scrub the soil out. With an rinse only product, after the first pass of the wand you have rinsed away the prespray. Now you are trying to clean this heavily soiled area with no cleaning agnet. But if you are using an extraction formula, you still have some cleaning juice coming throuhg the wand. 2. There is funriture that you need to clean under but you did not prespray under it. You did not want to move it twice. But most of the dirt under the funriture is not heavy soil because no one walks there. The extraction rinse cleaner is enough to clean this area with just fine. As to cleaning out soapy water with more soap, the key to understanding this is surfactancy or the ability to make water wetter. Plain water has surface tension because the water molecules have an attraction for each other. They form relatively large drops. Add even a little detergent and the water no longer sticks together. It will form very small drops that can penetrate to rinse soils and prespray from between individual filaments of fibers and into tiny abrasions and irregularities on the surface of the fiber. Regualr water won't reach those areas. Extraction products generally get diluted around 400:1. It takes very little to be effective at rinsing. You will actually leave less detergent behind than if you used tap water. Edited by kkForumAdmin - 08/May/2009 at 1:28am |
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doug
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there is no such thing as a simple chemical question?
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Just My opinion
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leuj20
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mr slide;
so, when to use carpet rinse and when to use water? does using just water affect the cleaning process?
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Mr. Slide
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Yep, lots of cleaners do!
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leuj20
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one of my competitors uses pre-spray and rinses with just water, he says saves money on chemicals, is this ok to do?
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tokmik
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lovsnow your prespray is the most important. It has a higher pH and loosens up the grime and slime. 7 pH is neutral. Any pH above 7 is Alkaline (presprays/emulsifiers)and anything below are acid rinses.
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rick007
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nothing wrong with a porty. don't have the cost of TM start up or maintenence and a way cheaper to begin. go TM after you get established. better yet maybe look at OP cleaning. seems to be the in thing these days.
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happy cleaning
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odd8all
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So buying a portable unit has its advantages. Im researching this business and have no idea what to do.
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luvsnow
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Thanks, RedStar.
It's been a tough start for me since I'm a new business and am not yet really known in the area. With the economy the way it is and snow on the ground now it certainly isn't helping matters. I bet once spring comes things will start looking up. I seem to have an advantage over my competitors since I'm using a portable. My competitors keep trying to get commercial clients but can't because they only have a truck mount. The commercial places I spoke with had to turn my competitors away because their insurance polices prohibited the doors/windows being open after hours to get the hoses inside from the truck mount. There really isn't anybody except for Chem Dry and one other person who does VLM in my area. Everyone else just does hot water extraction with truck mounts. I anticipated being slow since I was a new company and since winter was near. That's why I made sure I had enough money to pay for all the equipment in full and cover the expenses for insurance etc in case I didn't get customers right away. I'm glad I did, and I'm glad I still have my other business to fall back on. But my other business is only seasonal (during late fall/early winter) so that's why I was looking to get into carpet cleaning. Being slow has been useful though. When I'm not filling orders for my other business I spend a lot of time reading up on various carpet cleaning forums and practicing at my house on various remnant carpets I bought. Just last night I was bored and wanted to fire up the machine so I practiced getting stains out of the one carpet. I learn a lot from people on here and the various boards. The guy I bought my Rotovac from lives 20 miles away and told me I could contact him if I ever had any questions so that's always helpful as well. Edit: Can't forget all the investing advice I learn from here too. Although I can't say I always agree with it Edited by luvsnow - 06/January/2009 at 11:08pm |
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RedStar204
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duckcountry
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Always happy to help when I can, luvsnow.
Another suggestion is to consider charging more if the carpet needs the extra scrubbing power of the rotovac. Because of the points we agree on of time and chemical expenses involved in the use of the powerwand and the end results produced - the customer should be willing to pay for what he or she gets. You are the pro. That means you prescribe the correct treatment and if the patient will not follow the doctors orders the good doctor informs the patient he will not be able to continue treating the patient. When writing an estimate, you must be willing to walk away and not look back. You will find out if they value your judgment or if they are looking for the neighborhood boy who can follow instructions and do their dirty work. |
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Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity?
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John L
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I was 19 a gazillion yrs ago.........
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luvsnow
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I came back to read something and realized I missed this post. I don't know if you saw my thread in the Introduce yourself forum, but I'm 19. So the choice was never really mine as to when the carpets got cleaned. When I was younger the carpets were cleaned regularly by Stanley Steemer, but my mom swore they didn't use chemicals so she went with someone who did Bonnet Cleaning instead. She liked how the carpet came out and called the guy in twice a year. Then the guy who did it, had a stroke and sold off his business. She called the guy who bought the business and didn't like how he cleaned and for whatever reason, just stopped cleaning the carpet professionally. Don't ask me, if it was my carpet that I paid for, I'd get it cleaned regularly. No sense in spending all that money on a carpet and not take care of it! |
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