If u had to clean area rugs all day

Superglide Ken wrote: You are being paid to remove the dirt, not hide it. If you tell your clint that you are going to hide the dirt, not remove it, that is fine. Disclosure is good. But if you are not telling him this because you want to get paid, that is un-ethical IMO. I would not do that.

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Michael wrote: Superglide Ken wrote: You are being paid to remove the dirt, not hide it. Okay. Ken, please bear in mind that I don't regularly jump on the anti-Ken bandwagon, so this isn't personal. But damn, total bs in that last post. You've been in the industry long enough to know that "clean" is usually just shorthand for "make it look better." The process/apparatus we employ has as much to do with the show we put on as much as actual effectiveness. If he's not putting on a show (i.e. not being supervised) and just getting paid for the immediate results, then "hiding dirt" is fine. The rugs will get dirty with use anyway, and they'll need them re-cleaned again when they're back in port, which he can do for them. You're a salesman, right? Probably way better than I am. Even I know baby step 1: know your customer/audience. Fast, simple, impressive results are paramount.Damn, if I knew I had a 400.00 a day gig waiting for me in Eastern Europe, knowing how far a dollar goes there, I'd relocate for the helluvit.

Michael:

You also have to feel good about what you are doing after you did it. My test for that is this:

Would the customer be just as willing to hand you his money for the job you did IF he understood that you were hiding the dirt to make it look good, rather than removing it to make it look good? Remember, the more soil left behind, the shorter the carpet life due to the cutting of the face fibers at the base of the carpet from the silica NOT removed.Chemistry used today MAY be able to control the rate of resoil rate, but it cannot negate this. And dont even try to tell me that the soil gets removed later when carpet is vacuumed. This has been proven over and over again as a LIE. Very little material is removed afterwards.

While I do agree with you that the work we do is evaluated on an appearance basis, there are 2 ways to get there. You can remove most(never all)of the soil as your equipment allows. That is called source removal. OR, you can pull the wool over your customers eyes and hide the dirt, and just hope your customer is not smart enough to understand your process, and ask where the dirt goes.

I vote for source removal. It may not pay as much per man hour as hiding the dirt, but I prefer to feel proud about about the quality of the job I just did, and earned the money I got for it. If that means I am uncompetitive on some of my commercial bids as a result, I can live with that. If you do not have pride in the way you conduct yourself, you got nothing.

Superglide Ken wrote: You are being paid to remove the dirt, not hide it.

Okay. Ken, please bear in mind that I don't regularly jump on the anti-Ken bandwagon, so this isn't personal. But damn, total bs in that last post. You've been in the industry long enough to know that "clean" is usually just shorthand for "make it look better." The process/apparatus we employ has as much to do with the show we put on as much as actual effectiveness. If he's not putting on a show (i.e. not being supervised) and just getting paid for the immediate results, then "hiding dirt" is fine. The rugs will get dirty with use anyway, and they'll need them re-cleaned again when they're back in port, which he can do for them. You're a salesman, right? Probably way better than I am. Even I know baby step 1: know your customer/audience. Fast, simple, impressive results are paramount.

Damn, if I knew I had a 400.00 a day gig waiting for me in Eastern Europe, knowing how far a dollar goes there, I'd relocate for the helluvit.

does it look clean?  YES /....will you get paid???..yes

no Mrbreeze not brushes on the cimex...pads...with some encap juice....  it'll be the easiets 50 rugs you'll ever do...

You're right, Mr. Breeze. An RX-20 on olefin area rugs will be difficult if you don't have someone holding them down. I don't know why Ken is worried about "deep cleaning" on pos olefin rugs either. Besides, an RX-20 or Drimaster will be a few thousand bucks on top of the cost of the extractor. Steamer had a good suggestion with a Cimex or some other kind of bonnet/encap method, except that the chemical is more expensive--just water won't cut it. On all other levels it's a better option: faster, drier, easier on the back. Just place the rugs edge to edge, and you'll eventually get good at swinging the machine from one rug to the next without stopping. If you use this method, get a soda canister and pressurize it with CO2 instead of using a pump sprayer. It's more efficient--with the volume you're talking about, you should save some bills in chemical cost.