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Ed Valentine ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() Joined: 14/September/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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Here's how creditable so called: "Tank" is Gentlemen:
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Alias: "Rich Tank" on the TM Forum 8-7-10 (another imposter)
His post in his words:
He spewed:
"I do not clean carpets professionally, So, I wasn't duping anyone (I never said I had a business, and always said I didn't know that much about carpet cleaning)."
This guy sure is a real authority (LOL!) in our business isn't he! It appears now that everyone knows his cover. His only proven purpose is to cause upheaval and discredit others. He always tells the truth even if he has to lie to do it!
But, then again, this character with all his positive-negative energy and talent can't be all that bad either. Because anyone who hates kids and dogs can't be all that bad, right?
I suggest that you rejoin your lapdogs on those two other boards because I'm sure you'll feel right at home.
Finally, you are very correct, Soil Lint Green, in regards to posting that BS on the boards by these irresponsible terrorists. We have a couple of very interesting things we are addressing at the moment because there IS repercussions for this. We will probably witness a couple of these guys crying like babies. Just waiting for a couple other "specifics" that guys like (alias) Rich Tank are moving toward. But, you are right, I hope they do not destroy this neat board!
Anyways, there are many many more GREAT Individuals in our Industry that would make all of us proud who relly over-shadow these few idiots.
Very best to all above;
Ed Valentine |
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Soil Lint Green ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() ![]() Joined: 30/December/2007 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 551 |
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One last thing, to make negative claims about a company's product including the action of repeating unsubstantiated claims is slander and if it can be proven to be detrimental to the subject of these claims then legal action including the involuntary satisfaction of the lawsuit plus legal expenses can be executed. If Ed's lawyers choose to do so, they could go after both of these freaks but they could also sue this board for its role in permitting the slander and that is a fact. To the two freaks from Too Many Freaks I say I suggest you seek legal advice. To Ed I can only suggest you have your lawyers consider cease and desist court orders with a demand that all relative posts be deleted immediately.
We can all be friendly here but the bottom line is BUSINESS IS BUSINESS. |
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It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk.
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Soil Lint Green ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() ![]() Joined: 30/December/2007 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 551 |
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Somebody invite the truckmount whores TA and Grut to go back to their board where they are welcome and stay off this one where trouble makers are made into body bag fillings. Their objective is quite clear and their origins are known by everyone here. And from this point forward we agree to ignore any thread they feel compelled to add a useless post.
It seems it is not only Ed they target, the success of this board globally has hit the TMF pretty hard right where it counts --- in the pocketbook. Boo Hoo for them. ![]() |
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It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk.
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Soil Lint Green ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() ![]() Joined: 30/December/2007 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 551 |
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Now about your girl, you got me there. I AM JEALOUS.
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It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk.
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Grutzy ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08/August/2010 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 89 |
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You have a point about Locko. I think he wrote that post on the evening that he returned home from that business fiasco, a woozy and beaten man. I don't think I have ever seen a man so angry at a machine before...LOL. Apparently he left the carpet soaked and felt horribly about it. I agree that Mr Ed V gets very angry and that sort of thinking is not conducive to improvement. I can also understand his financial struggles getting in the way of improvement but I think the machine can be improved in many areas at a low cost, if he would only become receptive to those who are trying to help him. After all, we are all in this business together and there is no need for such in-fighting.
You might also have a point about his age becoming an obstacle. Older people tend to be very stubborn and he has certainly showed signs of this. Some of my older customers refuse to get a computer and use the internet, if you can believe that.
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TA152H ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 09/August/2010 Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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It's nice you have sympathy for the man, but what about Locko? He was compromised by the sub-standard performance of this machine, and not for the first time. That's a really lousy feeling to be stuck in, especially by a machine that's so expensive. Also, I've given him a good solution for his problems, but instead of looking into it, he gets defensive and angry. No doubt his sales are tanking based on his responses here. Happy people don't throw tantrums like this, so he's obviously stressed out. But, that doesn't give him an excuse to be so dreadfully ugly in his posts. His temper tantrums are downright effeminate. I don't want to see him go out of business, but unless he can realize what a weak product he's got, and then work to improve it, he's going to be in big trouble. This is the internet age, and he's still trying to use disinformation and obfuscation to keep people off-balance, and hide the inherent inferiority of what he's selling. He's got to be more honest and open, or he'll keep going down. He might be too old (maybe even a dotard) to turn this ship around in time. If so, he's got to turn the company over to someone more competent and forward thinking, who won't reminisce about older days, and instead make improvements. Disinformation and a very loyal customer base are both valuable assets in his situation, but it's dangerous to rely on them completely. You need a good product too. |
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Grutzy ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08/August/2010 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 89 |
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By the way, Mytee builds a far superior portable to the Recoil and that is a fact also. I am not being negative and like I said in an earlier post, I am willing to help Mr Ed build a better portable and my only request for payment would be to receive a free one once it is completed. I don't think that is asking too much and I know exactly where the machine needs to be improved (lots of areas for sure). Some of the changes would not even be expensive. Of course, the most challenging problem is the weakness of the body. However, lots of other issues can me improved for not that much money and I would be willing to help him in this cause.
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Grutzy ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08/August/2010 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 89 |
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Although I am not an advocate of Mr Valentine's retro portable extractor, called the Recoil, I can respect his passion and emotionalism that he has expressed here today. While his anger is evident, lets not jump to conclusions and identify this as just another internet meltdown. I honestly think he believes in his Recoil, in the context that he wants it to establish itself at the top of the industry. However, deep down inside, he knows of its flaws and is stressed out over these issues becoming common industry knowledge.
I believe that he wants to improve the machine. Anybody can see his competitive nature and that is a good thing. However, it is very expensive to do a complete overhaul of his present design and as frustrating as this must be to Mr Valentine, it is beyond his financial means. So what can he do? This is a common struggle in business. Most businesses need more money to improve but how is that possible in such an economy and no doubt, Cross America has suffered some sales woes since the tmforum shootout. Since that time, Locko has critized the Recoil even more when its lack of vacuum power yielded him in a nightmare on a commercial job. Why didn't Locko consider Mr Valentine's sensitive situation before publicizing this information? Well, the cat is out of the bag now and I can understand Ed's frustration and fruitless anger. This sort of bad press has hurt Mr Valentine and despite being called an "idiot" by the angry man, I feel sympathy for him. He is in a tough situation.
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TA152H ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 09/August/2010 Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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Ed, I don't know what you're talking about, but that's probably because you're wrong about something. I don't really know what ICS is, other than I've heard it's a forum as well. So, to answer your question directly, no. If you weren't a paranoid little man, you'd realize I wasn't being negative. I don't even want you to go away, I want you to make a better machine. That's my only motive. People often view other's actions through their own eyes, and bestow motivation based on that, so you pretty clearly indicate what your motives would be. But, I have no motivation beyond what I've said. I've answered your question directly, why can't you answer mine? Can't you answer one question directly, instead of your normal vague nonsense? Do you think no one notices that you can't answer a question? Lastly, I don't have a problem with you arguing with people, but when you start calling them idiots, that's where it gets childish. You don't see the difference? In reality, you're not a smart guy at all, and you'd be calling someone an idiot? Seems kind of strange. Why take it to that level? That's like a 5'4" man that can't jump turning something into a slam-dunk contest. Canoer, I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't really read that forum much, because it doesn't work with my browser well (Opera), but I'm pretty sure you're making it up, since the admins on that board were the ones that concluded the performance of the Recoil was relatively poor, and even offered to prove it by paying for a unit to be shipped to them. And since I never claimed to be an expert, and I'm not in conflict with their beliefs, I'd be forced to conclude you're wrong. I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time. |
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Ed Valentine ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() Joined: 14/September/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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TA152H ,
I can see that you are one of those guys who are trying to be an "Arm-Chair" engineer at the expense of others, especially the unsuspecting and potential Operator(s) who spend their hard earn money for future success, instead of disappointment. And, it is most interesting that it is alright for you to throw arrows at us or the thousands of satisfied operators of Cross-American equipment, but it is not fair that we throw them back. Hummm. Wonder why?!
It is very evident that you do not know or are not aware of the true value of the proper industrial design---from flipping the switch-to-the- wand, or the energy requirements and/or limits as we do.
We will continue as we always have, in the development of the most efficient system ever developed way beyond the negative BS our competitors or yourself may spew in a losing effort to discredit those who strive to be the very best in this great Industry of ours. Your words above are deplorable and contain many many "Assumptions" that are so darn misleading that you, sir, are showing your ignorance in abundance.
Finally, I see that you have a pattern of making your way around to different boards ( & using different handles to hide behind), that will put up with you for a while. However, weren't you kicked off the ics bb?
Realize one thing: You may love to be a negative person and throw the BS however, we are not going away. SO, go develop your so called "Dynomite" machine. Just let us know when you're ready to turn it on so we can all run!
Very best to all;
Ed Valentine
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canoer5222 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 26/March/2009 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 45 |
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TANK,
YOU ALSO WERE ALSO ASKED TO SHOW TMF ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF CARPET CLEANING ETC. WITH THEIR "EXPERT" .HE EVEN SAID HE WOULD COME TO YOU !!!I SUPPOSE YOU WERE A NO-SHOW ALSO. NO-SHOW JUST LIKE YOUR PROFILE!! |
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TA152H ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 09/August/2010 Status: Offline Points: 26 |
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Ed, You know, reading your posts has shown an interesting pattern, and I'll give you some friendly advice, or really remind you of something you already know. When you start calling people idiots, despite what you think you're saying, you're calling yourself one. You look smaller by using childish insults, even if you think they are deserved. Don't lose your composure or dignity anymore, it does not help your business at all. I wouldn't buy from someone that threw around childish insults. Also, based on your, at best, remedial command of English, I would say he's probably smarter than you. Stay away from that argument, and stick to the machine. There's nothing good for you there. I'm guessing from your design choices, you'd never own stock, and would rather keep your money in a bank, where it's guaranteed. Your machine is built that way. I guess you figure that's quality, and I guess I can understand it, even though I don't agree with it. You made very conservative choices, because you value the machine working all the time as being very, very critical, and in as many situations as possible, at the expense of performance. It seems your choices for vacuum motors were dominated by fear of blowing circuits. After all, if the machine isn't working, you can't make money, and that's what it's all about. But, on the other hand, a more powerful vacuum system saves a lot of time, and there are generators for those stubborn situations where electrical conditions simply aren't cooperating. I'm also confused why you'd add a two-stage booster in parallel, when this should lower the lift of the machine, which already is the weakness. I know this makes sense from an electrical perspective - use it when electrical situations permit, but I'm curious why you didn't choose a low amperage higher lift vac (at the expense of CFM), so wouldn't lose lift at all, and gain some, while still gaining (albeit less) CFM. I know you don't want to offer a more powerful version because it would make your existing one less appealing, and I'm sure with your conservative nature, you'd prefer that to be your main product. Also, the tanks buckling in probably place some limit on the power, but, at the same time, there is a benefit to selling a more powerful machine to people that really want it. So, I think I found something that might be useful. I'm sure the body could handle a good 20% more power (the guy that was worried about buckling went considerably higher), and probably 30%. Now, you wouldn't want this on your website because I'm sure you don't want this as your main machine ( how many people would want the "weaker" machine, after all), so I suggest you sell this machine as a special order only. Don't advertise it on the website, unless you want to just mention machines can be custom configured, and then have people call you for more information. This way you'd have a good idea if it makes sense. You could also make it known on forums this higher powered machine could be sold, and again you'd have the benefit of talking to the person and ascertaining if it makes sense, without creating buyer reluctance towards your main machine, for people buying from the internet. |
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John L ![]() Carpet Cleaning Guru ![]() Joined: 29/November/2004 Location: I'm Right Here! Status: Offline Points: 4013 |
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HATE: not a virus nor a germ. Its a disease. And its rampant in this world.
You can find it almost everywhere the next time you look in the mirror!
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jealousy
fear of the competition.. Any more you would like to add?
Soil would you quit say that? I love my TM.
and my recoil
and my 175
and my dog
and my Girl...........
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Soil Lint Green ![]() Carpet Cleaning Specialist ![]() ![]() Joined: 30/December/2007 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 551 |
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Let's hold his hand and point him back to TMF which for him is a sandbox called Too Much Fun. He knows nothing about carpet cleaning, little about the equipment used, nothing about the engineering of the equipment and chemicals, and probably resents the fact that he was sold down the river into some overpriced gas guzzling gross polluter he thinks does a better job at cleaning carpet than the top rated portable. And he actually talks like his Mytee is on par with Cross-American? Someone should check for an exhaust leak in his boat anchor of a rig.
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