Are you lads BRAINWASHED?

it also gets you a 50 buck tip...the restaurant owner can't believe the job you just did...

I wouldn't use it for my own health....but I'm sure a lot of other chemical companies do the same darn thing...they just don't put it on the label or the MSDS

I tried to stay out of this as long as I could but I have to say something.

The chemicals this guy Jackblack or whoever is pushing are not even usable in Toronto without using  special dumping procedures.

He sent me the MSDS this afternoon on th'e  '99' stuff and spotter  and they contain butyls and NPEs.

You can't even put NPEs down the sanitary sewer system in Toronto legally. There are some other scary looking ingredients on the MSDS, one that said it had a TLV of 3ppm.

I'll look at the sheets in the morning and run them through scorecard if I have time. We stick to Chemspec first (Ecogent) and then Masterblend' Responsible Care.

The idea that 'soap is soap' is so much bunk.

Stanley

Keeping it simple is something I would definitely agree with. As far as ingredient disclosure is concerned my feeling is thyat long term this will change as well.

The laws in Canada are such that we have to tell you about any hazardous ingredient that is in a percentage greater than 1%. This is far more than you will ever see from a US MSD sheet. One of the quirks of all laws is that you will never see any perfume listed on any MSD sheet. The funny thing here is that if anyone is chemically sensitive then the perfumes just might be the first thing they are sensitive to. Trying to get info from a perfume supplier is next to impossible.

My guess is that products like ECOgent will help change the way people look at things. All it takes is the poilitical will. Any product in the food store must list all ingredients for health and safety reasons. Surely we can't be that far behind

Obviously KK must stick up for consistent quality products or I would be on the street doing magic with my monkey.

Just this week one of my customers who left my products for something that appeared better and cheaper. He called me to ask me how he could correct a serious problem that just somehow appeared after he cleaned it. How could it be his fault he said. After I asked him many questions that were getting us nowhere.

I said what color is the mess that was created. He said "Yello". I said what is the color and concentration you are using. A LONG PAUSE, then he said Yellow.

I think he got the answer and the replacement value of the carpeting is $10,000.00

How much has he really saved? Sooner or later it has been our experience that you will eventually pay-the-price when you go for the inconsistent and unknown.

This has been a very intersting thread to follow. Seeing as many of you are talking about chemistry I feel somewhat compelled to respond.

I can't speak about other chemical companies because I don't know them. I only know about our company.

Someone talked about Heinz ketchup in a different topic I beleive. We all know that Heinz is the market leader. If it was so easy to copy then we could all find the same taste for a lower cost. I have tried all of the others and there is only one heinz, in my opinion.

I have learned over my 25 years in the business that the world of chemistry is very complex. At Chemspec we are proud of several things we do. Quality is certainly very high on our list. No product is ever packaged that does not meet our pre determined specs. All raw materials must meet specs that we have set up prior to manufacture. We use absolutely no fillers in any product. Fillers are inexpensive materials that add weight or volume, bring the price down but contribute nothing to cleaning

In the past, we have refused raw materials that did not meet our specs. We have also not packaged products because they did not meet our standards. In the world of chemicals, it is very easy to contact people and get "a formula" This does mean the product will work to your liking - it just means that it will clean something.

Saying that all chemicals are the same is like saying all carpet cleaners are the same. Neither statement holds water. Saying that it is easy to break down and copy chemicals is almost an impossibility. We have products with upwards of 16 or 17 ingredients in them. taking them to a lab and getting them analyized is next to impossible. There are lots of solutions that you can choose from. There are, however, very few chemical companies that employ the high standards that I would assume anyone in this business would like.

Speaking of "batch to batch" Inconsistency

Ask yourself this...Is your chemical company ISO certified?????

http://www.iso.ch/iso/en/ISOOnline.openerpage