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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jim Darling Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/April/2005 at 8:54am

It sure is nice to see that lots of you have opinions. That is the great thing about a BB. I tend to post only when I feel I have something of value to add so in the fewest numbers of words here is some info about Detergent Free Cleaning.

1. Almost all cleaning agents today include chemicals that have either known or suspected long term human health effects

2. Most cleaning chemicals offered today are based on petrochemical technolgy.

3. "Environmentally preferable" products try to reduce or eliminate the most toxic ingredients but they leave us and our environment still exposed to chemicals not found naturally in our bodies or our environment

4. The new reality about chemicals is that a portion of the materials you use will eventually become part of your body burden.

5. Detergent Free Cleaners only contain chemicals that are listed as generally considered safe for consumption by the Food and Drug Administration. In other words, they only contain ingredients that we consume evry day.

6. ECOgent is a tremendous leap forward in technology. We incorporate no petrochemical based surfactants - we use plant based and other natural ingredients. If you understand that normal cleaning products are incredibly toxic to whatever lives in water then ECOgent is many many many times safer. Detergent Free Cleaners contain no surfactants, solvents, builders, acids, or caustics. When it is eventually introduced to the water system somehow it has an aquatic toxicity that is essentially zero.

7. To put this toxicity in perspective if you use any type of disinfectant product (assuming it is quat based) then for EACH GALLON OF DILUTED PRODUCT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO ADD 4,000 GALLONS OF WATER not to have a toxic effect on a rainbow trout

8. Please understand that "green" cleaning should not be about the environment - it should be about health. Almost every green product that I have ever seen while it may have environmetnal benefits is still regulated under WHMIS and as such is not good for people.

9. Nightrider - I would be delighted to go public on the Provincial Government. The reason i can't tell you which one is that there is political "jockeying" going on and their expected announcment date is April 30. That will probably mean July 1. It is not 1 building, it is 4000. I will tell you that they want to specify only carpet products that meet the new CCD-148 standard. Because there is a dearth of products that meet this standard they will probably end up embracing CCD-146, ECP-33. Of note is the fact that they will not allow ANY PRODUCT WITH THE GREEN SEAL APPROVAL simply because this standard is so low compared to others.

10. I have no doubt that some will like DFC cleaners and others will think that it is stupid. Give me the bad stuff! I can tell you unequivocably that the hotter the water the better this material will work. I can tell you that CLEANEX has used this material for 4 months now and loves it.

11. Will it clean everything? Of course not!

12. What DFC really offers you the cleaner is a tremendous marketing tool from you to your customers. it is estimated that over 15% of the population is chemically sensitive today. This is growing! The smart people will have DFC available to use first to meet this demand and then figure out that the customers are really intetrested in this feauture.

 

I apologize for the length of this post - I will now go away

Jim Darling
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nightrider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/April/2005 at 1:00am

Any new product is a tough sell, especially when you have to re-invent the wheel in order to generate sales. Jim should call me up and for a generous fee I can boost his product in a different direction where at least he'll have a winner on his hands. I can see this product taking he same path and direction as Eco-Gent.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Superglide Ken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/April/2005 at 12:52am
Jack; I'm betting there is some in there, and I don't expect either product will stay at it's current selling price for very long in any case. We both know that the main thing that determines retail selling price is supply and demand. Input costs are only a secondary factor in pricing unless the product or service enjoys a monopoly. Then the only restraint is what the market will bear or the greed of the seller.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nightrider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/April/2005 at 12:37am

Jim Darling is starting to sound alot like Kenny with his glides, and Ted is shadow boxing for him in his corner counting all the money that will be expected to flow through his doors. Kenny tells us to buy his glides now before oil goes up and raises the price. I would like to know.........are there any milk by products in D. F. C 'cause I heard milk is going up.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MR. STEAMER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/April/2005 at 11:53pm

didn't say my post would be good... I just post

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PadMan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/April/2005 at 11:51pm
Another GREAT post Steamer...
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YEAH!!! What nightrider said!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nightrider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/April/2005 at 11:44pm

Which provincial government is that, ONE BUILDING DOES NOT MAKE A CHANGE IN AN INDUSTRY. I can lobby the government for green toilet paper cause it has a relaxing effect, thus giving you a more peaceful crap, and some idiot official just might implement it in his building, that does not mean all toilet paper will have to be green. MAD has been lobbying the government to get tough of drunk drivers for over 20 years, NOTHING HAPPENED YET.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MR. STEAMER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/April/2005 at 11:27pm
??? I don't speak french cest la vive
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PadMan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/April/2005 at 9:23pm

So give me the ADVANTAGE of detergent free cleaning...

 

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Originally posted by MR. STEAMER MR. STEAMER wrote:

c'est une pile de marée d'utilisation de merde

it is a pile of tide of use of sh*t?

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c'est une pile de marée d'utilisation de merde
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Cleaning Without Harming

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The province of Ontario's cleaning standards are so low, they are lucky if their carpets ever get cleaned. The only product that will clean them is gasoline and a match
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