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I did ask you if you do flood work, for that would make little more since.  You said no I do more carpet cleaning.  BTW flood clean up as we know it is changing over to heat exchange which you would need a bigger truck now to carry the latest equipment. Fist of all do you know how much cfms you can move though a 2" or 2.5" hose?  Do you know how many cfms, a wand will pull though it?  If you don't know these specks this is a null conversation.  If you do then you will see my point.  I have a 59 blower that is speck at 860 cfms usable is around 500 with all the restrictions of lines, filters, vac lift, ect. this was all tested.  If you look at it when AT increased there blower from a 59 to 68 was when a lot of companies where offering TM with a 59 blower for a fraction of the cost.  You then could buy a Box truck, van with a unit for 25-30k less and get the same power.  So naturally AT would have to up there set up if they wanted to get 72-80k for there set ups.  Soon you will see other TM with 68 blowers for less then a AT or V, and what do you think  AT will do?  I know the people down at blue line and have talked to the engineer of the AT who use to be an engineer for an oil refinery, think his name is Gladimer, before I made the choice of the ACE.  I at one time did consider the V or AT until I  learned that I could never use that power unless I was using 3 wand.  I am not putting down your set up I think it is very nice just to much $ for what you get.   So if you want to put your money where you mouth do some research and give me those specks of a wand and hose and well talk. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote captaincarpet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18/April/2007 at 6:28am
Duh... I have done the research and I totally agree with some of what you say, disagree with some too... give me a call some time and I will give you a simple 5 minute test that will show you ( in REAL world conditions) that you can push more than 200 CFM thru a 14" wand. You act like you parroting ken's figures is gospel. I respect your opinion, I just happen to have a different ones.
Either call, try my test for 5 minutes and see my side, or this is a mute point its that simple. Many on mikey's board have done the simple test and ALL have seen the difference.
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The funny thing is my information is not from ken but from the place you bought you TM from AT, among other manufactures.  I dug up my notes when I was shopping for a TM you can pull 230 cfm's.  You only have the next size blower up from me, which was used in older units of AT, V's.  I bet you don't even know how to read a blower.  What is the difference between a 59 and a 68 blower(and not cfms)?  What do those numbers mean, I just want you to put your money where you mouth is.  I have more education on this then you.  Then I want you not to listen to me but call Blue Line, Ace, Powerclean, White Magic, and ask them one thing.  If you are running one wand what rpms do you run the unit at, Blue Line, Prochem will have a dial saying one wand or two.  The answer is about 1800 rpms with a max of 3000 rpms for duel wanding.  So now we spin the blower slower and get less cfms.  Now why in the hell would they want to do that if like you say I can get all the cfms though the wand.  They must be all be stupid and needs to call you and take your 5 minute test.  Lets take another point you say you are duel wanding most your jobs and have these great drying times.  Well in all reality most people on this board with there little 47 blowers or so are actually pulling more suction than you are.  You have to remember you are dividing yous in half for both wands.  I'll bet my last penny though when customers call you you say that your set up is better at drying then theres, when they are pulling more cfms through there one wand then you are in two wands.  So how are you actually getting fast dry times, which is very simple to do, psi, glide some, dry passes and fans the most, which any set up can do.  It just eats you that you didn't need to spend that kind of money, and that I can get your results for 30k less.  So now you will argue the point that you wanted a bigger truck to hold more equipment, like you dehu's and fans.  So basically more flood equipment.  With the new flood equipment on the market to be cutting edge you will need a bigger box truck or trailer, to hold all the extra equipment.  Since you insist that I am giving you advice on how to buy or set up your truck I will now give you some.  Give me 72k I would buy a ACE, or Genesis with the 59 blower there top end models, and a van.  Will set you back 42k.  Which will perform and get the same drying times as yours.  Strip all the flood equipment out of you van or if you want box truck use the extra space for tools ect.  Then you pick up a TES unit for 18k which will dry a flood in 30 hours over twice as fast as what you can with your current set up.  Take the extra 20k invest it in advertising, classes, and market material.  So now I can clean carpets just as good as you, do floods twice as good as you, and have a hell of a lot more new customers then you do to the 20k I just spend on advertising.  So instead of keep arguing with me, call up people that are making these TM, Glides, and Hoses and argue with them.  Where did you think I got my facts from some board like you, no from the people that are making carpet cleaning hoses, TM, and glides.  Unless they are all lying to me you will get the same answers, the ones I have been giving you.  If this is about some big d**k contest who has the biggest unit, then yes you win.


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Do you mean the blower numbers referring to gear and lobe size?
Or, are you referring to the difference in frame sizes, inlet sizes, shaft diameters, weight, recommended rpm,CFM, "HG, ? You need to be more specific in your questions, there are numerous differences…more specifically what is it you want to know?

Looking at the pictures I have posted in this thread surely such an intelligent man as yourself could figure I must do water loss...( perhaps 20 air movers, 3 Dehu's, and a flood pro tool were a slight clue)?

Again you keep telling me what I should do with my company...Or what you would do...with my company...with my money... Its fine for you to run your business any way you want, please allow me to do the same...
No I do not agree with everything you say or how you would do things, but feel free to do whatever you wish...I'm not stopping you...please... have it your way!
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A highly modified Big Red, 4108 Perkins Diesel, Roots 59 blower, General TS1011 pump.  The truck was orig put together in 88.  Currently has ~12000 hrs total.
Custom vac system with 3" hose and custom filter pail
Custom heat exchanger to replace the orig heating system
Not the prettiest lady at the ball, but she'll out perform and outlast most of them.











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Cumon Ron tell them about it....a Vortex in sheeps clothing sort of....
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That's the biggest HX I have ever seen

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2" wand Perkins diesel Roots 59 3" hose
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Dang. Size really does matter.
     

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For a cleaner to show up in a truck that looks like that, no matter how it well performs, is a little less than desireable in my opinion. Duct tape on hoses, bungie cords, etc.. come on buy some paint, a little cleaner/ degreaser and make the inside of the truck presentable. You are supposed to be a cleaner, what kind of image does the customer see when they walk by that?
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well, soooooorry for not looking professional enough for you. 

When I leave the carpets are cleaner than 98% of other cleaners would even bother to make them and they show up in these real pretty trucks.
They don't want to be bothered with taking the time to clean it properly.  Too worried about making the right hourly rate so they can make their truck  payment.

Most times when people walk by it, they don't see the duct tape, they go "Holy Sht, thats a big engine/truck.  It don't look like the van that pulled up the last time I had my carpets cleaned!!"
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Ron's cleaning is the very highest quality there is in my trading area - HANDS DOWN! If you saw how he worked and the reaction that customers have to not only his results but his profesionalism it wouldn't matter what is in the driveway.

I have said to Ron many times to take out that stuff and put it in a newer box van. His response is always - I don't owe anybody anything and I am as busy as I want to be and maybe someday I will.

Old truck or not - nobody consistantly does a better job. I know the truck is not a standard looking CC truck but when you get to know Ron it doesn't matter.
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As long as the custys are happy and they keep calling, who cares?

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I want him to do my house. How much to travel 1000 miles?
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