What makes a forum

What makes a forum....if we all agree and we all knew everything man life would be boring.......

I just thought it would be fun to taken an opposing side...if you can't argue bothside you can't call yourself a debator....

Truthfully....take the classes....

Ted must have died when I said buy bulk knock off  chemicals.....not a good idea

It was good to see all the post...all the action...all the excitement...

I really don't want to give away my identity but if you know me I'm professional to the core...

For Ted's sake I'll coral myself with the rest of the sheep  baaa baaa

I love the IICRC but it's the things you hear....let me give you an example

Things are said all through the cleaning world,  I keep my ear to the ground and its things that I'm going to tell you that really bother me....

You know the last leather class held here in Toronto, 600 dollars per person class.  It was held at a Interior Care's facility, (if you don't know interior care they do a lot of the highend carpets for the Jewish community and lot of politicians and public stars here in toronto).  I think 8 people signed up for the class, by the way not one of Interior care's people sign up and they have about 15 employees..

Back to my story, 4800 dollars seems to be a good draw for a class of 8...and with the rental of the room for 3 days(very little, much cheaper than a hotel conference room), the instructor who taught the class(x amount of dollars)...

The sponcers of the class could only afford to buy 3 for 1 pizza for the class on the first day.  There are some people that will claim that they don't make any money off the courses......

when I got this information from one of the course participants I was shocked.

I'll always believe there should be an indusrty standard, but I feel bad when my fellow brothers in the industry are taken for a ride.  

That was not an IICRC class.

There are so many inaccuracies it isn't funny.

Bottom line and I know:

No profit for the hosts or sponsors.

Believe it.

Airfare, hotel 4 days, transport (to and fro) from Winnipeg of two trunks weighing over 400lbs), per diem, 2 manuals each person (16 x $8.00 plus tax), rental of space, shop supplies(lots of dyes, kits, finishes, cushions), instructors fee, advertising, food (which Gloria and Linda made on other days), snacks and furniture rental (we were spraying dyes).

Interior Care was supposed to have 2-3 attend and then cancelled because they had too many calls to do as a result of the January floods.

You don't know what you are talking about.

THE ONLY ONE WHO MAKES ANY MONEY IS THE INSTRUCTOR.

LeeS thats why I asked...this is what I heard...I know it wasn't IICRC related, but just wanted to bring forth my point..... I'm not asking you to spell out all your cost, but don't say you lost money either.

I'm glad that Ed York is here, maybe he could address some of my concerns in the industry...

See things are not always what they seem to be....Everyone thinks I'm a no talent, non educated idiot, But I also pay attention to everything that goes on in my industry.  How do you think I found out some people where dissapointed.

When it comes to cleaning I know everyone.....six degrees of seperation.

Don't feel bad money was made to BE MADE

Mr. Steamer you are right, things are not what them seem. You had some validated points on the IICRC that you wanted addressed and as a member your right to expect an answer.

Before you slander a course, the teacher, the staff and the sponsors of the course. You should at less try to get some of the facts right. A good debate I also love to participate in with constructive criticism. I would never step on a podium armed with pure gossip and nothing else.

 Mr. Steamer I'm sorry to say I am disappointed in you.

Well, Steamer why don't you develop class smart guy like you could probably produce a top notch class in a few days.

Then just take 4 days off from your biz and teach it just for umm well, maybe like you charge for your cleaning services....charge what YOU think it's worth. 

Talk is cheap and unless you teach classes or host them you are just blowing smoke about a subject you  know nothing about until you tried it. I hosted IICRC classes for years, never made a penny but we did meet a few complainers with lots of helpful suggestions of how it should be done.

It's a free country, if folks want to take a class or not, it's their choice, so what do you care ?

Only guys that never make a mistake, STEAMER....never DID anything.

WHAT OTHER INDUSTRY DOES A TEACHER OR SPEAKER DEMAND SUCH A HIGH SALARY.....NAME 3 OR MORE IF YOU LIKE.

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