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Originally posted by John L John L wrote:

Yea.. Thats about what i get also 2/400.. Hey Mr.Steamer what's that cost you in postage 300,000 X .26 for postcards = $78,000 US....Guitar%20Headbanger
direct mailing goes out for 1.8 cents per piece...like Val pak in the states...
 
so it runs me around 5 grand a month....  I have made up to 20 grand in a month..  they say you have to make 4 dollars for every you spend..but it doesn't always work out that way
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sometimes you make back what you spend for everything including printing.  repeat business is the goal then with the accounts gained.
It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk.
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SLG.. Your everywhere.. No jobs..? Porty collecting dust..?  LOL
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John I know your feelings are hurt.  I keep my work to weekdays and Saturdays.  Even God took a day off.  

But I did service the van and porty this morning and then went online to order more chemicals.  I just finished with the bookkeeping.  Got to do it when you are adding customers you know.  I work everywhere, yes.  Oh, but you knew that.  No dust, John....getting moss on your tires?  Rolling tires gather no moss, John.



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Hahahaha... Your funny girl...LOL Love your humor...Heart...Just got back.. Made big bucks...Big%20smile
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Hooking now John?  Working my corner again?  I'll be yer pimp man!Pimpin
Or did you have an office building to do?Cool!



Edited by duckcountry - 10/March/2008 at 11:22am
Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity?
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LOL duck..LOL
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I would NEVER do any business with any company that either uses telemarketing or unsolicited email. I would certainly NEVER want my business associated with either.
 
With all of the false and misleading advertising already widespread in this industry all we need is to look even sleazier!
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Well envirosafe, you are not a candidate for a good carpet cleaning. 

Many craftsmen in several trades have thought themselves "ART-TEETZ" and set their work standards too high with prices to match.  I believe you have heard the label "starving artist"?  Unless the world has singled you out as the next great Michelangelo of carpet cleaning NEVER say NEVER. 

Flexibility in business is what some refer to as being open-minded.  Recognizing we are not like everyone else so our values are not going to be our customers values is seeing the big picture in living color.

Businesses understand that you leave your idealism at the door.


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Originally posted by duckcountry duckcountry wrote:

Well envirosafe, you are not a candidate for a good carpet cleaning. 

Many craftsmen in several trades have thought themselves "ART-TEETZ" and set their work standards too high with prices to match.  I believe you have heard the label "starving artist"?  Unless the world has singled you out as the next great Michelangelo of carpet cleaning NEVER say NEVER. 

Flexibility in business is what some refer to as being open-minded.  Recognizing we are not like everyone else so our values are not going to be our customers values is seeing the big picture in living color.

Businesses understand that you leave your idealism at the door.


 

Well, as I stated earlier - I rather be out of business than operate like the dishonest sleezballs that make up most of this industry (in my experience). I also prefer not to intrude, uninvited, into potential customerís lives, especially with the lies that are nearly always involved over the phone. You seem to be arguing that you have to be a sleezball to do business...your prerogative I guess. I'm still have an ever-growing business and I've not had to sink into that cesspool...say what you like.

 

I offer two guarantees (1) I'll beat any legitimate, written, quote from any other licensed carpet cleaning company in Beaufort and (2) No quote you get over the phone is worth the paper it's written on.

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Originally posted by envirosafe envirosafe wrote:

 

Well, as I stated earlier - I rather be out of business than operate like the dishonest sleezballs that make up most of this industry (in my experience). I also prefer not to intrude, uninvited, into potential customerís lives, especially with the lies that are nearly always involved over the phone. You seem to be arguing that you have to be a sleezball to do business...your prerogative I guess. I'm still have an ever-growing business and I've not had to sink into that cesspool...say what you like.

 

I offer two guarantees (1) I'll beat any legitimate, written, quote from any other licensed carpet cleaning company in Beaufort and (2) No quote you get over the phone is worth the paper it's written on.



Lovely sentiments I am sure.  The fact that you restrict which socially acceptable methods you will permit yourself to use when promoting your business means you have decided to infuse your values into the business and inhibit growth at the expense of all you hold dear like food and shelter for your family.  Valiant sacrifice although sadly all in vein.  None of your competition minds that you are uncomfortable with methods you believe are held in distaste by potential clients.  Really, they need you to hold to those principles which they scoop up all the chips you left on the table by folding to early.  Yep, NO problem.  See you at Mickey Ds pushing fries with every meal.  Or do you consider asking for the sale too intrusive for you and obviously for everyone else in the civilized world since everyone thinks like you and agrees you should become the moral leader for businesses everywhere?

You view is limited in scope and that makes it limiting in results.  Keeping real busy by matching low ball prices is not a business.  Can you make the same sales dollars with 5 times the profits by doing 1/4 the jobs?  If you learn to sell, yes.  If you don't, hope you enjoy your carpet cleaning JOB.  Nothing personal Mike.  But you just haven't developed that hunger to succeed yet. 

Do not fault others for their success, blaming them for your own inability to match their results because in your mind of minds you think what they do is wrong.  Instead learn from their example and push through your own biases to reach levels you never before thought possible.  Do what they do, exactly the way they do it and in exactly the order they do it.  Make your sales days count.  Your growth will be best if done by selling the differences that make your service so valuable, not by low balling your competition as if you were one more whore working the same corner trying for the same john.

You can be the example but only if your success is truly unsurpassed.  Lead by example, don't be lead by your prejudices.




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Originally posted by duckcountry duckcountry wrote:

Originally posted by envirosafe envirosafe wrote:

 

Well, as I stated earlier - I rather be out of business than operate like the dishonest sleezballs that make up most of this industry (in my experience). I also prefer not to intrude, uninvited, into potential customerís lives, especially with the lies that are nearly always involved over the phone. You seem to be arguing that you have to be a sleezball to do business...your prerogative I guess. I'm still have an ever-growing business and I've not had to sink into that cesspool...say what you like.

 

I offer two guarantees (1) I'll beat any legitimate, written, quote from any other licensed carpet cleaning company in Beaufort and (2) No quote you get over the phone is worth the paper it's written on.



Lovely sentiments I am sure.  The fact that you restrict which socially acceptable methods you will permit yourself to use when promoting your business means you have decided to infuse your values into the business and inhibit growth at the expense of all you hold dear like food and shelter for your family.  Valiant sacrifice although sadly all in vein.  None of your competition minds that you are uncomfortable with methods you believe are held in distaste by potential clients.  Really, they need you to hold to those principles which they scoop up all the chips you left on the table by folding to early.  Yep, NO problem.  See you at Mickey Ds pushing fries with every meal.  Or do you consider asking for the sale too intrusive for you and obviously for everyone else in the civilized world since everyone thinks like you and agrees you should become the moral leader for businesses everywhere?

You view is limited in scope and that makes it limiting in results.  Keeping real busy by matching low ball prices is not a business.  Can you make the same sales dollars with 5 times the profits by doing 1/4 the jobs?  If you learn to sell, yes.  If you don't, hope you enjoy your carpet cleaning JOB.  Nothing personal Mike.  But you just haven't developed that hunger to succeed yet. 

Do not fault others for their success, blaming them for your own inability to match their results because in your mind of minds you think what they do is wrong.  Instead learn from their example and push through your own biases to reach levels you never before thought possible.  Do what they do, exactly the way they do it and in exactly the order they do it.  Make your sales days count.  Your growth will be best if done by selling the differences that make your service so valuable, not by low balling your competition as if you were one more whore working the same corner trying for the same john.

You can be the example but only if your success is truly unsurpassed.  Lead by example, don't be lead by your prejudices.




 
I do have to say - you have rationalization down to a fine art Wink
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Steamer (and all),

You say yellow pages make the phone rang.  I'm in the process of setting up my yellow page ads for 2009 and was thinking about going "big."  The local competitors take out half page and dollar bill size ads.  I'm looking at a "cheater half-page," but am wondering if the ROI is there.  AT&T wants $1700 per MONTH for that ad (but I also get "Credit" dollars for ads in other sections....there way of selling more, I guess).

I think you're in Atlanta, so your metro area is probably a little bigger than mine, but what sort of response rates are you getting from yellow pages?  Is it worth what you pay compared to other forms of advertising?  What size/type of yellow page ad do you have?  Have you broken it down into $ per lead for yellow pages?   Thanks for your response in advance.

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