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justinfm View Drop Down

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    Posted: 21/May/2012 at 8:14pm

I'm a marketing guy, and wanted to find out if it's OK for 'outsiders' to post on this forum, assuming we aren't spamming/advertising. I've read the rules, as well as the terms and conditions, and don't find anything about the industry you need to be in to post on this forum.

That said, I've spent a couple hours reading through some threads where it seemed like some 'outsiders' offered some good advice and were immediately flamed at an amazing level. 

If you are someone who, HATES, these outsider/marketing guys (me) who post on your board, please take a deep breath and read the next three points with an open mind.
  1. Do you know more about carpet cleaning than the average 'marketing specialist?' Of course, so why is that? Because you are immersed in the business of carpet cleaning, every day.
  2. As a marketing person, I'm immersed in the world of marketing strategies every day. Is it possible, I may have an idea that could help you make more money?
  3. Maybe shutting out all marketing ideas that don't come from other successful carpet cleaners is a way to keep your business from growing at the level it could. Maybe a new open minded CC will come in and just steal all of your business using strategies you don't even know about. 
I totally agree with flagging and eliminating anyone who is spamming, but just posting useful information to start building a relationship isn't spamming. It's a good business strategy especially in the business to business arena. By the way, it's also a win-win business strategy. 

What About Flaming?Angry
(flaming: to make statements of a personal nature to deliberately provoke or incite others into confrontations)
No aggressive, personal attacks on someone just because of a disagreement with their point of view will be tolerated. Flaming is a cheap shot, the easy way out, and an immature & unintelligent way of "getting back" at another poster by simply being mean-spirited. It is used in lieu of intelligent, logical discourse because the flamer is incapable of intelligence and logic, so they fall back on a personal attack. Again, it will not be tolerated in the Kleen Kuip forums.

From the threads I've read, flaming seems a lot more prevalent than spamming.

OK, I'm off my high horse, and I should mention that I'm open to any discussion on this point. If the overall will of this forum is, "we hate all marketing people." I'll just accept that and move on. 

Maybe it's just the loudest people who are so angry and anti-outsider, and there are some of you who are interested in more information.

I look forward to hearing from all. 
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akpowerclean View Drop Down

Joined: 03/June/2012
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Hi Justinfm,

No flaming here. You make some good points.
People are very tired of being marketed to and I think perhaps they might resent it when they are marketed to within their own club. This does not mean that what you have to offer is not extremely valuable and it wouldn't make them more successful, just that they come onto forums to get info from their peers and might not like an "outsider" marketing to them. I personally think it might be beneficial for them to check out what you can do for them. I think you introduced yourself as well as you possibly and you made a good argument for yourself.
I find myself in a unique situation where I have owned a carpet cleaning business in Anchorage Alaska for more than 34 years and for the past ten years my role has been just the marketing. In fact I love marketing so much that when I semi-retired from my business I started a small business marketing company. I work with all kinds of small businesses including carpet cleaners outside of my service area. Most of my focus right now is on internet marketing quite simply because for most carpet cleaners that is where the future is. I will be checking out your website and maybe I can learn form you. Maybe we can even team up and write some posts here that might help the carpet cleaners here to be more successful.


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