Major Newbie Questions - HELP PLEASE
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Topic: Major Newbie Questions - HELP PLEASE
Posted By: Fish
Subject: Major Newbie Questions - HELP PLEASE
Date Posted: 27/December/2007 at 12:44am
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Hello all Carpet Pros!!! I need opinions. I am trying to decide on the best portable and other items to get started cleaning carpets. I have read thousands of posts and just can not find a solid answer from someone who is not also a distributor of the machine they think is best.
I will be cleaning rental properties with carpet no older than 10 years. I want to use a rotovac for the tough areas and wand the cleaner areas. 1. On an average 3 bed 1400 square foot house with so-so carpets if you went through the house with the wand and then went through the house with the rotovac. Which one would be faster? Which one would do a better job cleaning? 2. What chemical is the best for prespray? 3. What chemical is the best to put in the machine? 4. What chemical should I use to make the house smell really good, what is the strongest longest lasting deodorizer? 5. Which portable is the best? I know there are A LOT of opinions on this one but if you could state your choice and WHY, all the other newbies reading this in the future and myself would really appreciate it. Here are the ones I am contemplating; (please feel free to suggest a different one) Recoil XPS (500 psi, dual 3 stage vacs, no clue what the water lift is, UP TO 300 CFM, 50 hose, 16 gallon tanks) price 2900.00 Mytee 1005DX (450 psi, dual 3 stage vacs, 140 water lift, 202 CFM, 25 hose, 12 gallon tanks) price 1700.00 Ninja 500 (500 psi, dual 2 stage vacs, 150 water lift, no idea what this one cfm is, 25 hose, 10.5 gallon tanks) price 2200.00 6. Do I need heat in my portable? In advance thank you very much for all of your time you all spend on these boards to help others out. Fish |
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Posted By: Jeff Van Buren
Date Posted: 27/December/2007 at 5:47am
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1)On extreme carpet the Rotovac works well however drying times with be prolonged so you will need addtional vacuum passes and or air mover.
2)For nasty carpet I like Chemspec EnzAll for standard with stain resistance protectant I like Formula 1 from Cross American many times I'll add Oxi Blaster 3)So many to choose from you will get several answers, from the makers of the Recoil machine I really like the Formula 1 no rinse needed they also make a very nice deodorizer. 4)Deodorizer is a personal preference, you don't want a overpowering fragrance some people could have problems with it. For a odor problem I like Hydrocide. 5) Hands down recoil is the best I love mine only uniy with lengthly hose run and great customer service 6) Heat is a nice option but can also be achived by bucket heaters while vacuuming they heat up the water nicely, if you have to choose between heat and CFMs , choose CFM every time with the presprays nowadays added dwell time and a good prespray will make up the difference. |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 28/December/2007 at 12:02pm
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Use Enzall and PreKleen for 20 years and make sure you have very good life insurance and long term dissability insurance. Leave something for the grandchildren.
Buy a heated recoil and a good 11" or 12" hole glided wand wiht 2" tube and use 2" hose. happy cleaning. |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 28/December/2007 at 12:03pm
| ps. on the real tip, find safer solutions to clean with....dwell time is your best friend...take care of yourself before you take care of some nasty carpet. |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 28/December/2007 at 3:34pm
Splash, That is the best advice I have heard you say in a long time. "TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF HEALTH-WISE BEFORE TAKING CARE OF THE CARPET" I like it!  ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
splash_$$$_dash wrote:Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 29/December/2007 at 10:55pm
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splash has turner into Mr. Senter???? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/December/2007 at 10:57am
if he was that concerned about his own health he would only use purified water  ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 30/December/2007 at 8:55pm
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Like Aquafina? ------------- 
The STD Meter |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 31/December/2007 at 12:04am
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Fish you have to use something that is good for you...
what one guy will swear by another guy will tell you that it's garbage. I always test it out on my own carpets.....you have to find your own comfort level. what ever you do decide on the best thing you can use is a good personality to get the customers to love you. ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 31/December/2007 at 1:23am
Words of wisdom  -------------
The STD Meter |
Posted By: ChemicallyFried
Date Posted: 31/December/2007 at 7:58am
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You asked if you needed heat. The only problem with heat is that you got to plug in the heater, and have power to run all the vacuums in a tri stage vacuum setup for example and the power to run a 500 PSI pump. All that happened to me is kicking out breakers constantly. You must plug into the 20 amp outlets usually found in the kitchens and bathrooms instead of the 15 amper ones in the bedrooms. And make sure your plugins are on different breakers. Such as plug one into the kitchen and another into the bathroom, thus dividing up your power draw. And god help you if you ever do an old building such as 80 year old city hall with old wiring and electrical box. The heaters will burn out quick also on most models if you turn on the heater by mistake before you put the water in and start the pump. In the end I thought the heater was a pain in the butt. A good hot tap water will do just fine if you are using good presprays and cleaners. By the way I have a truck mount now, and got away from the breaker problem, and now have an overheat problem on occasion where the whole system shuts down. hahahahah ------------- I can remove more spots than you can. |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 12/January/2008 at 8:05pm
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Thanks for the responses.
I ended up purchasing a rotovac used for 750.00 and a new Mytee 1003dx for 1000.00. Now I just need to get the right chemicals. FISH
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 12/January/2008 at 8:20pm
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Where the heck can you find a Mytee 1003DX for $1000? Even the discounters sell these machines for about $1900. Must be used, or you got the model wrong. Distributors cost is more than $1000. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: Fish
Date Posted: 12/January/2008 at 8:28pm
| A carpet cleaner bought it for jobs he wouldnt use his truckmount for and didnt use it but sold his business and sold this as the last remaining item so I know I got a heck of a deal, as I couldnt find them for less than 1849.00 on ebay or anywhere. FISH |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 12/January/2008 at 8:41pm
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Well good for you then. It is a great 2 vac machine. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/January/2008 at 12:14am
Weren't you offering them for less than $1000? Of course we know you didn't ship any  -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 13/January/2008 at 10:55am
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No, that was the 1000DX. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 13/January/2008 at 2:15pm
When you set your wand down to prespray another room or move funiture your TM is running full blast and the waters not moving it gets hotter and hotter.. Idle your TM if you have 5-10 minutes of prespraying and moving things then it wont shut down.. Also blow a fan at your TM to cool it down..
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 13/January/2008 at 3:12pm
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That's bs i never idle mine down. if it has a hx one of your orifices is plugged. Is it air cooled or water cooled? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/January/2008 at 9:31pm
No need to idle it down if everything is working correctly -------------
The STD Meter |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 14/January/2008 at 10:08am
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Why let it run all out for lets say 10 minutes while you move funiture..? Save on gas idleing..
Doug.. Can you explain what orifice your talking about..? This is the 2nd TM I've owned and if you set the wand down too long running all out for 10min or so and not keying the wand the watertemp gauge rises and if no water is flowing for long enough time say like 20min's it overheats.. More in the Summer.. Doesn't do it in the Winter.. 270f shutoff safety sensor..
Ken.. Whats your take on this..?
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 14/January/2008 at 12:46pm
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Ken.. Whats your take on this..?
Only machines that this happens to are those that use exhaust heat as the primary heating method to heat the water.
It does not happen to direct drive units cause they take most of their heat from liquid to Liquid exchangers. It also does not happen to Prochem 405 models like Doug uses because that system uses a water dumping system to the waste tank to moderate water temps.
Air cooled systems like you have rely on temperature activated selenoids and exhaust diverter valves to control excess heat when the wand is not being keyed. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 14/January/2008 at 2:37pm
| Thanks Ken. My Freedom-XT has the exhaust diverter valve.. Its carboned up.. Have to clean it.. And the dema jet inside the wastetank might be clogged.. I know its not the HX dema solenoid cause i can hear it engage so its not stuck closed.. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/January/2008 at 9:25pm
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that's what happens when you idle it down they are made to run wide open. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: safety1910
Date Posted: 20/January/2008 at 2:30pm
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I have just bought the Ninja Century 400 w/ heat. I think it cleans really well. Definitely get built in heat. I would have hated to think that I would have had to find another plug to plug a bucket heater into. The built in heat for the Ninja is great! Also, remember that whenever you get out of hose range, you have to move your whole get-up to another location.
I just cleaned a church yesterday 5000+ square feet. I run 25 feet of hose. I had to move my machine 7 times within that building to cover everything. I have not tried running 50 feet yet. I am also using 50 ft of 12gauge extension cord on both cords on my Ninja. I had to reset the breakers (fuses) about 10 times. I blow breakers in every house I go into. Get use to it if you buy a portable. I have bought a breaker that I plug into the wall so that I do not have to go searching for the fuse box everytime.
I am doubting that with built in heat, a pump, and a couple of vacs going at the same time that one would not blow a fuse here and there (Mr. V need not chime in on this remark). I am just struggling with it until I get the ol' truckmount.
However, I think one will always need a portable in his bag of tricks.
Cheers! ------------- Dan |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 20/January/2008 at 3:07pm
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you have got to get those cords on seperate breakers. In residential plug into the stove most kitchens in newer homes have all split plugs in the kitchen. In commerical applications it is very hard to keep your machine on seperate breakers. I'am sure some of the guys with portys can help you out better than I. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 20/January/2008 at 3:31pm
I ran 3/3stage and a heater on Restaurants.. 4 cords and no blows..
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 20/January/2008 at 4:09pm
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John Bissell don't sell that model in Canada ------------- Just My opinion |