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    Posted: 28/November/2004 at 11:05am

danmarcks question was about his pre- spray he has used for 9 years has fabric sofner in it you didnt anwser his question about that i dont think?

what can that do to the 5th generation carpet
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well ok!!!    thanks for setting me strait doug!   anything above a 10   will either,   change color,  texture,  and   I cant remember the last one?   What do you expect out of a newbie!        
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No,NO,NO.  Above 10 is for commerical or olefin.Guitar
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well  I can say I understand 5th generation carpets.    thanks fella's!      Now to add to the fire!    Is it ok to use presprays with a ph higher than 9.5 on these carpets if you use a fabric rinse to lower the ph back down?    b/c  alot of the presprays  out there  have a ph level well above 10.     thanks again ? 

 

                                                       

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Because it will lose it's stain resistance?, or it will wick? or it will brown or
what ??????? What is it, that it is supposed to do. Don't mean to badger
you just wonder why a person isn't sopposed to use it. What will it do to
the carpet ? because I have used this prespray now for about 9 years and
don't see any negatives so far.


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If the cleaner is cationic you can't use it on stain resist carpet.  Soft water and a fiber rinse will accomplish the samething.  I may be wrong.  If I am Lee will straiten me out.  But as I recall the rule of thumb if it has "cat" in it. You "can't" use it on it.Guitar
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The manufacturer of the pre-spray I use says that it has Fabric Softners in
the chemical.

It is added for that specific purpose to give the fibers a "soft to the feet "
feel. And I will say it does work nicely.

That's why I was asking what the fabric softeners are supposedly going to
do negativly to the 5th Generation carpets???

Any idea? Just wondering ?
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danmark: Why would want to use fabric softener on carpet??Guitar
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Tha PH I was aware of, but the fabric softner part I hadn't heard of ,
What effect would that have????
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The pH should be less than 10 for sure. Some mills have different specs, Kraus for example is 9.5.

Doug should stop being so humble, you can answer all this stuff.
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5th Generation had been around I think since about 1986.  so Probably all the nylon you are clean ng is 5th generation.  Most all cleaners today arre for stain resist carpets unless you are usung olefin prespray or another commerical cleaner. Keep ph around 9.5 and you should be ok.  also don't usr ccatonic surfactants on the carpet they don't mix well.  Professor Lee can put it into better terms than me.  I probably should be leaving these questions fro him.Guitar
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To be safe a lower pH cleaning product  should be used and no cationic products (fabric softners, disinfectants). 

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Thanks for your clarification. But is there something I would need to
change in my cleaning process should I encounter a 5th generation
carpet?? What do we really need to know ? How do you identify it???

What special tretment is required if any.?
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5th generation carpet is post dyed nylon that has both a flurochemical treatment and an application of an acid dye resisitor treatment.

In simpler terms --- a product (that would similiar to an invisble dye) fills the dyesites that are still capable of receiving dyes. Therefore if you spill something like Kool Aid on the carpet, the place the stain would go is already filled by the acid dye resistor.

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