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Nice...................Try in on a 3 hour red wine stain.

Did you spray Steamer...Doug.......& Kenny with that D.F.C Stuff.............Cause they all disappeared too

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Chemspec DFC was designed more as a pre-spray, steam cleaner or pad cleaner.
I thought I would try it as a spotter agent. Tried it on a serious 3 month old coffee splash.

Click here for Chemspec DFC Coffee Stain Demo Video

Seeing is Believing!



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Well, we had all heard that food is a powerful weapon........

 

 

Guess we will have to get used to the fact that it can be a powerful cleaner too..........................

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Jim, I'm always impressed with the way you handle opposition with a positive and articulate way of standing with both feet braced on each side of the argument. Your calling was a politician, and you could have been 2 billion dollars richer today. Science of old and science of today is seperated only by the way we measure particles, in the 50-60's it was parts per hundred and thousand..........today it's parts per million,& billion.......if technology continues on its path, that would mean the water we drink today will be poison for the generations to come, with that said, unlike the industries of Asbestos ( which was a government coverup regarding its carcinogenic properties) Coal, Lead, and the like, I have yet to hear of the average housewife today at 85 years of age or the nightcleaner of the 60's 70's & 80's dying of some kind of chemical toxin poisioning of cleaning products of old. I acknowledge the need of better science in our cleaning products and industry, but to say that it is of utmost importance plays a  trivial mind game with me. 75% of the food we eat is modified, altered, fortified with who knows what, has no nutritional value, packed with hydrogenated oils, saturated fats, a million calories per teaspoon. 16 spoons of sugar in a glass of Coke, fast food that causes kidney failure and ages us by 10 years.........Jim , I can go on and on..........I feel the least of societies worries is what soap is cleaning our carpet, and if any Provinical or Federal Government official would present me a written letter stating that my chemicals have to be GREEN, I would take a fast hop, skip and a jump over to the nearest lawyers office and place a class action law suit against all concerned, and would obtain a quick injunction. Please don't get me wrong with all this Green stuff, I wish you success and would gladly purchase it considering it works. I just get a little offended when you and Ted come on so strong and others who posted here regarding D.F.C making statements that the times are changing and the wave of the future is now with D.F.C, It's just a little too much hype..............I would like to think of myself as the voice of all those who think like me. Thanks

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Nightrider - I really do like your posts - intelligence and wit combined. Let me try this again. We sincerely beleive that DFC is a great innovation for several reasons.

1. It really does clean well

2. Will it clean really trashed out stuff - probably not

3. Will it clean at lot of carpets - absolutely YES

4. Does it work better with hot water - absolutely YES

5. Will it clean the greasiest, dirty carpet found in a restaurant.? My initial reaction is to say no but go ahead when you get your sample and see what happens. If you say it cleans this situation well then I would take that as an incredible positive endorsement.

6. The real value in both ECOgent and DFC is that these 2 products adress some serious issues that we are faced with. All chemicals that we as a society are exposed to and use are not good for us. An analogy is that for many years Thetford Mines was the world's leading asbestos mining town. When they all retired to collect a pension, as we all know most of them died and as a society we all figured out that mining asbestos was very dangerous.  As they say in French - pointe finale.

7. I have learned a lot over the past 2 years about the industry I am involved in. There are very serious questions being raised by a lot of different people. The carpet cleaning industry really doesn't get to see them because beleive it or not the professional industry is made up of typically small people who do not have a collective voice.

8. At Chemspec we believe that the future is here now and most of the traditional chemistries we all use have definite long term effects.

9. The real value for you as a cleaner is that DFC and ECOgent offer you first of all - safety for you and your customer. It also offers you a tremendous marketing tool. In our office we get calls at least 3 times a week from all over the country from concerned home or business owners about chemcial safety, childrens safety, pets safety. Combine this with the incredible increase in asthma and other respiratory ailments out there and you have a market that is ideal for the right message

10. This message is really very simple. i will clean your carpet safely, i will not introduce VOC's and other toxic materials into your home or business. We have more 3rd party verifications on this than any other product in the world.

I would love you to try DFC in the restaurant. I hope it meets your expectations. More importantly than this i hope you realize the real benefits that it offers you

Jim

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Ted, you are 100% right regarding the enz-all on residential carpeting. Chemspec's Enz-All is a GREAT product and I use it all the time on restaurant carpets, kitchen floors, and behind the woks & fryers. I even used it to clean some acoustic ceiling tiles with success, mind you I did add sodium percarbonate to it. The thing is, if it cleans only something that is already clean.......I might as well not clean it, save my time and D.F.C and just collect the money. I realize I'm talking without reason, but just what is Green Clean good for. I clean with temperatures up to 350 Degrees/1300 psi.......I'll see what it does and get back to you.

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On the other side of the coin as you know we sell lots of Enz-All absolutely  (Kick Ass) the best for restaurants and heavy soiling.  I am adamant about CC not using it in homes.

Enz-All is not built for homes, but many CC say, " Hell No" they use it on everything.  If they will not listen to me what makes you think they will listen to you. 

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I would not recommend that you use this on a dirty restaurant carpet - you more than likely will be disappointed. Now I don't want you to take this the wrong way so let me explain.

Whenever anyone comes out with something new most cleaners immediately think of the "worst case scenario" to try it out on. That is their test. DFC cleaning or any form of Green Cleaning" MUST be looked at differently.

We all know that cleaners clean things ranging from not dirty at all to absolute pigpens. I DO THINK ANY "GREEN CHEMICAL" MADE BY ANYONE WILL NOT PERFORM AS WELL AS TRADITIONAL CHEMISTRIES ON TRASHED OUT CARPET. THIS IS NOT WHAT IT IS DESIGNED FOR

The whole concept here is to use it on most things you run across. I have said repeatedly that DFC will not clean everything. It is not supposed to! It is designed to be used for everyday stuff you run into. The whole story with green stuff is that you minimize YOUR EXPOSURE to the bad stuff. You also eliminate your customers exposure to VOC's etc.

From time to time (as in a greasy restaurant) you need to bring out the heavy guns. I certainly understand that and support that.

Having said that i was just talking with Don yesterday who told me that he eliminated his prespray and just ran DFC trough the truck and was impressed. I do not know what equipment you operate but i can tell you that the hotter the water the better DFC will work.

I just wanted to let you know publicly that a restaurant carpet might not be the best place to test this. If it works out - that's great. To get a feel for it it might be wiser to try it on "normal soiling first"

 

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I'll take a DFC 105 on the rocks please.

Order it here:

http://www.virtualbartender.beer.com/

 

If they won't serve that try "catfight"

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That sound like a plan, we'll invite General lee 'cause he seems to really like that stuff. He has to be your best endorser for D.F.C drinking a capful for all his workers to prove that it's safe. I wonder what he had to do to entice his employees to work with the caustic chemicals..........GIVE THEM DANGER PAY. I'll await my sample from Kleenkuip and see what it does on a restaurant carpet, or a dirty Government building in which I have 7 in Ontario that I do on a regular basis.

Will it clean a dirty carpet or is it designed to freshen carpets up that are slightly soiled.

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Nightrider I do not recommend drinking DFC at all - even 4 ounces. If you are thirsty on the job, why not ask your customer (if possible) for a glass of water. it is probably more refreshing.

You might get the runs or you might get an upset stomach that is all!

i am sure you would agree that common sense prevails here

HOWEVER IF WE DON'T HAVE COMMON SENSE THEN...

Maybe on your next trip to Toronto we can all meet at Ted's, knock a few back and see who gets an upset stomach. i might even take a page out of the Steak House marketing manual.

If you buy a 20 litre pail and drink it all - it's FREE!

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So what you're confirming is that according to you speaking on behalf of Chemspec, although you do not recommend drinking D.F.C you do guarantee that one cannot get sick and that 4 ounces is alright to drink. The worst thing that can happen if too much is taken internally is that he/she gets the runs. Am I correct in your assessment.

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DO I RECOMMEND DRINKING DFC? OF COURSE NOT.

WHY NOT: BECAUSE IT DORESN'T TASTE VERY GOOD (BUT DOES TASTE LIKE LEMONS)

IF YOU DRINK 2 - 4 OUNCES WHAT AILMENTS CAN OCCUR? NOTHING!

IF YOU DRINK TOO MUCH DO WE RECOMMEND PLENTY OF ....  I REALLY CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE DRINKING THIS STUFF ON PURPOSE BUT IF THEY DO THEN THE WORST THING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IS THEY GET "THE TROTS"

Hope this answers your questions

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I WOULD LIKE TO ADRESS THIS QUESTION TO JIM DARLING..............GENERAL LEE STATES THAT HE DRINKS A CAPFUL OF D.F.C FOR EACH OF HIS TECHS TO PROVE THAT IT IS A SAFE PRODUCT

QUESTION: DO YOU RECOMMEND THIS PRACTISE, IF NOT WHY.

QUESTION: WHAT POSSIBLE AILEMENTS CAN OCCURE BY DRINKING 2 TO 4 OZ OF THIS D.F.C PRODUCT.

QUESTION: SHOULD SOMEONE DRINK D.F.C IS IT RECOMMENDED TO DRINK PLENTY OF FLUIDS AFTERWARDS, INDUCE VOMITTING, AND OR CONSULT POISON CONTROL.

iF THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT ANSWERED HERE I WILL P.M JIM DARLING AND LATER POST HIS RESPONSE

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